ECOLOG-L Digest - 11 Mar 2003 to 12 Mar 2003 (#2003-69)
Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 11 Mar 2003 to 12 Mar 2003 (#2003-69) There are 12 messages totalling 683 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. live on the web -- the ARMI National Atlas for Amphibian Distributions 2. Conservation Planning/GIS - Career advice? 3. Ecology text recommendations 4. wetland courses 5. Ecology texts and prerequisites 6. citation minutia 7. What is an experiment? 8. Free ecosystems GIS (responses) 9. Funding clearinghouse sites (responses) 10. press (2) 11. GRADUATE RESEARCH ASSISTANTSHIP (M.S.) AT COOPERATIVE WILDLIFE RESEARCH LABORATORY, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY AT CARBONDALE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:32:32 -0800 From: Linda Weir <linda_weir@YAHOO.COM> Subject: live on the web -- the ARMI National Atlas for Amphibian Distributi ns (Apologies in advance for the cross-postings of this message.) I am pleased to announce a new USGS website, made possible by the Amphibian Research and Monitoring Initiative (ARMI): The ARMI National Atlas for Amphibian Distributions. URL: http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/armiatlas/ The ARMI Atlas presents distribution records of occurrence for all amphibians known to occur in the United States, with counties or sub-counties as the mapping unit. These distribution maps represent a compilation of records from peer-reviewed, scientific publications, state field guides or herpetological atlases, museum records, and validated personal observations. The website and maps were also peer-reviewed prior to this release date. Thanks to those of you who have contributed data and otherwise participated thus far in the peer-review of the website and maps (please note our acknowledgements page in recognition of those who have contributed data and/or photos for the ARMI Atlas -- these names are still being added). Updates have been rolling in, and I am continuing to incorporate them. Please keep them coming! Although the official peer-review period has passed, the review process is ongoing, and these maps can be updated at any time. Your help is greatly appreciated, and necessary, in making these data as accurate and as complete as possible. If you feel that certain records are in error, please contact me to discuss this further. Also, if you have new records which are not currently reflected in these maps,please contact me about incorporating your data. These maps have been adapted from the "United States Amphibian Atlas Database" assembled at Ball State University by Laura Blackburn, M.S.,Priya Nanjappa, M.S., and Michael J. Lannoo, Ph.D. (2002). Development of this [preliminary] database was supported in part by grants and/or matching funds from the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, United States Fish and Wildlife Service, and Disney Wildlife Conservation Fund, as background for the book Status and Conservation of U.S. Amphibians (Lannoo, in press). This website is intended to update as well as replace the US Amphibians Distribution Maps website (http://home.bsu.edu/~MLANNOO/). Priya Nanjappa USGS Patuxent Wildlife Research Center 12100 Beech Forest Road Laurel, MD 20708 301.497.5811 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:08:20 -0800 From: Jennifer Shanks <shanksje@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Conservation Planning/GIS - Career advice? Hello all, I am looking to establish contact with someone who could give me some advice on beginning a career in conservation planning and GIS. I am considering eventually applying to a graduate program in environmental science/resource management. However, as one with an unconventional background (BA in English, 4yrs computer work, 1 yr undergrad biology classes, songbird banding internship), I'm sure I could benefit by picking up some additional experience before applying. I am guessing that a GIS internship would be the logical next step, but am a bit uncertain. I would love to talk to some people who might have some advice to pass on. If you might be able to help or if you could lead me in the right direction, please send an email. Thanks very much for your help, Jen __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:07:21 -0500 From: Andrew Dyer <andyd@AIKEN.SC.EDU> Subject: Re: Ecology text recommendations I agree with the problem of text density. My favorite text is Krebs because of his approach, but I don't use it as the assigned text for the introductory class. I've used Molles for the past three semesters, but am going to switch to TBH for Fall 03 because of the second edition for which I have been waiting. Molles is very accessible. One strong point is the excellent climate diagrams; H-W is OK; plenty of up-to-date examples. I would prefer to have all of the annotation of the graphs in the captions rather than on top of the graph themselves. ALL of the bar graphs are over-simplified and lack error bars. I must have error bars! The discussion of data is dependent on measures of variation. TBH, Chapter 1, discussion and interpretation of data and variation right up front. I like the experimental tone because I focus on how ecology is done as well as what it is, so I frequently pose questions concerning how to test ideas and what are the strengths and weaknesses of different studies. I will continue to take examples from Molles, Krebs, Ricklefs, and Smith & Smith. By the way, for evolution, natural selection, H-W, and Mendelian genetics, I consider Evolutionary Analysis by Freeman and Herron to be outstanding. I only use the first five chapters because it quickly goes beyond introductory ecology topics, but my intro class is Ecology and Evolution. I spend the first week using HIV (Chap 1) as a great example of all aspects of evolutionary processes. All the best, Andy Dyer USC Aiken Chris Brown wrote: >To all, > > As seems to come up more than once this time of year, I have a >request for opinions about undergraduate ecology texts. I have been >asked to teach ecology somewhat at the last minute (rather than my >scheduled animal behavior course), and so must pick a text. In the past >I've used the large Begon et al (BHT) text, as well as the shorter >Townsend et al (THB). While BHT is my personal favorite, undergrads find >it difficult reading, and I've not been that impressed personally with >THB (perhaps just due to unfair comparisons with the big book). I've >also used Ricklefs and Miller for myself, but again find the writing >style much too dense for an undergrad class. Pianka's book, while a good >evolutionary ecology text, doesn't quite have enough ecology for this >course. I'm therefore narrowed down to one of the following three: >Ecology and Field Biology by Smith and Smith; Ecology by Stiling; or >Ecology by Molles. While I have some initial impressions of each, I >would like to hear from anyone having used one of these texts. >Specifically, how do the students feel about the reading level AND the >level of math comprehension needed (a complaint I've heard about both >BHT and Ricklefs and Miller)? And are there any major omissions (or >welcome inclusions)? > >Thanks in advance, >Chris > >********************************************* >Chris Brown, PhD >Assistant Professor >Department of Biology >Box 5063 >Tennessee Technological University >Cookeville, TN 38505 >phone: (931) 372-6258 >email: cabrown@tntech.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:07:46 -0500 From: Director of Education <Dir.Educate@WETLAND.ORG> Subject: wetland courses Learn from the people who know... ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN Celebrating over 30 years concern for wetlands. www.wetland.org Grasses, Sedges and Rushes July 11-12 @ Environmental Concern - St. Michaels, Maryland This 2-day course will train students in the identification of grasses, sedges, and rushes. Through lecture, the examination of live plant specimens in the lab and the field, and keying exercises, the students will learn the morphological terminology necessary to identify grass, sedges, and rushes. Students will leave with an understanding of the families, family subdivisions and genera of the often-difficult species of grasses, sedges and rushes (wetland and upland). Instructor: Bill Sipple Cost: $375 Spring Wetland Delineation: April 7 - 11, 2003 - Laurel, Maryland (Patuxent National Wildlife Visitors Center) Designed for students and professionals just entering the field of wetland science, as well as those needing a review, this five-day (40-hour) will prepare students to execute wetland delineations based on the 1987 Corps of Engineers wetland delineation method. Beginning with an overview of the Clean Water Act Section 404 regulations that initiated wetland delineations the course continues devoting a full day to each of the individual wetland parameters of vegetation, soils and hydrology. Routine and comprehensive methods as well as atypical situations and problem area wetlands are covered theoretically and practically with the final day of class dedicated to fieldwork. Included in course materials is a copy of the 1987 USACE Wetland Delineation Manual. Instructor: Albert McCullough, III, P.E. Cost: $985 Constructed Wetlands for Stormwater/Sanitary Treatment: May 14 - 15, 2003 - Laurel, Maryland (Patuxent National Wildlife Visitors Center) This 2-day course is designed for professionals interested in low maintenance and low cost stormwater and wastewater treatment options. Mixing classroom and field study, students will gain an understanding of wetland treatment systems and system efficiencies for both surface and sub-surface flow wetlands, study the advantages and limitations of constructed wetlands, and progress into design including principles of sizing, designing biotic and abiotic wetland components, and O & M. Regulatory issues governing discharge standards will also be covered. Instructor: Albert McCullough III, P.E. Cost: $375 Stream Restoration August 26-28, 2003 @ Environmental Concern - St. Michaels, Maryland This three day course will provide a thorough introduction to stream restoration. Natural channel design strategies will be emphasized, and the course material will focus on river mechanics, the application and limitations of existing analytical tools, and ecological considerations. We will also explore the design and construction process, focusing on the application of cost effective techniques for stream restoration and stream bank stabilization. Instructor: J. Craig Fischenich, PhD, PE Principal, FIScH Engineering Date: August 26-28 Cost: $575 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:28:18 -0500 From: "Risley, Lance" <RisleyL@WPUNJ.EDU> Subject: Ecology texts and prerequisites Another perspective on the discussion of ecology textbooks. Several of us teach ecology here and have annual discussions of which textbook(s) we favor personally and which textbook(s) seems best for our students. For example, I enjoy reading Ricklefs, but our students gasp when they are expected to use it as course text. In the past few years our decision has become more complicated...we split the General Ecology course into two upper-level courses -- Individuals and Populations, and Communities and Ecosystems. We can use one text for both courses (after taking one of the courses, students often enroll in the other) or use different texts for each. A work in progress... One question always arises in our meetings and I have not seen it crop up in the latest discussion. What prerequisite courses should be required? In our case, the students need a year of General Biology and a third course called Ecology, Evolution, and Behavior. What about prerequisite chemistry, physics, math, and other biology courses? Are prerequisites the basis for students to have more productive (and enjoyable?) experiences in ecology courses? Do any of you teach in programs that are structured for stepwise course development based on careful selection of an accumulating suite of prerequisites? Is your undergraduate ecology course an elective floating in a sea of other electives among which students can choose after they have completed one year of general biology? Appreciate comments, Lance Risley *************************** Dr. Lance S. Risley, Professor Department of Biology William Paterson University Wayne, NJ 07470 Phone: 973/720-3438 FAX: 973/720-2338 E-mail: RisleyL@wpunj.edu *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:59:57 -0500 From: "Weber, Theodore" <TWEBER@DNR.STATE.MD.US> Subject: Re: citation minutia It looks like the unanimous, or near-unanimous, opinion on this list was to ry to read the original material, and if this was unavailable, use option "c , or something like "D.L. Jones reported in 1990 that yadda yadda (Smith, 20 2)." thanks for your responses! Ted Weber Landscape ecologist Watershed Management and Analysis Division Chesapeake and Coastal Watershed Service Maryland Department of Natural Resources 580 Taylor Ave, E-2 Annapolis, MD 21401 phone: 410-260-8802 fax: 410-260-8779 email: tweber@dnr.state.md.us >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Weber, Theodore" <TWEBER@DNR.STATE.MD.US> >To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:58 AM >Subject: citation minutia > > >> Dear ecologgers, >> >> If one cites literature review information from the introduction o >background of a journal article, rather than information actually produced >by the journal author(s) (i.e., their research), should one: >> a) cite the journal article author only, >> b) cite the reviewed author only, or >> c) cite both (e.g.: Jones, 1990 in Smith, 2002). >> >> My inclination is to follow (c), but I think (a) is more often use (and >thus that's what I usually use). Or should one avoid citing background >information entirely, and go read the reviewed authors (assuming the texts >can be accessed)? What do you think? >> >> thanks, >> >> Ted Weber >> Landscape ecologist >> Watershed Management and Analysis Division >> Chesapeake and Coastal Watershed Service >> Maryland Department of Natural Resources >> 580 Taylor Ave, E-2 >> Annapolis, MD 21401 >> phone: 410-260-8802 >> fax: 410-260-8779 >> email: tweber@dnr.state.md.us >> >> ============================================== >> Visit http://www.ecologyfund.com/ to protect >> wild land for free, just by clicking a button! >> ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:51:06 -0300 From: VOLTOLINI <jcvoltol@UOL.COM.BR> Subject: What is an experiment? I am writing a book chapter in Portuguese to be used in grad and undergrad courses and it is about how to use stats in Ecology but.... I have a conceptual doubt..... Reading some stats textbooks I can find that.... 1 - An experiment is an experiment because there is an independent variable (a factor or treatment) with diferent levels (a qualitative variable) 2 - But...... following this reasoning....... people working with regression are never working with experiments? Then, what is precisely an experiment ???? I would like to have your comments because I am feeling that many people are using statistical theory without asking themselves if they agree or believe in what they are reading, writing and saying...... Thanks........... Voltolini ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Prof. J. C. VOLTOLINI Grupo de Estudos em Ecologia de Mamiferos (ECOMAM) Universidade de Taubate, Departamento de Biologia Praca Marcelino Monteiro 63, Bom Conselho. Taubate, SP. CEP 12030-010. BRASIL. Tel: 0XX12 - 2254165 (Lab. Zool.) ou 2254277 (Depto. Biol.) E-Mail: jcvoltol@uol.com.br http://www.ecomam.hpg.ig.com.br ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Tutto di noi è un angelo con un'ala e possiamo volare soltanto se ci abbracciamo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:04:32 -0800 From: Jonathan Greenberg <greenberg@UCDAVIS.EDU> Subject: Free ecosystems GIS (responses) Thanks to all who responded to my question about ecosystems GIS question. I mentioned I had found a managed area GIS, and some of you asked where I got it. Here's the site: http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~gavin/mad/ncgia.html The best GIS I found that was NOT based on satellite imagery was: http://www.worldwildlife.org/ecoregions/ Now, for the rest of the responses... *** If you haven't already seen them you may want to check out the following: * WWF Ecoregions - http://www.wwfus.org/ecoregions/index.htm * CEC Ecoregions of North America - http://www.cec.org/pubs_info_resources/publications/enviro_conserv/ecomap.cf m?varlan=english * NABCI Bird Conservation Regions - http://www.nabci-us.org/bcrs.html (BCR Download http://mbirdims.fws.gov/nbii/file_dwnld.html ) *** The National Atlas website (link below) has alot of great layers for GIS and should have what you're looking for. http://nationalatlas.gov/atlasftp.html *** I don't know about GIS coverage for the whole N. America area, but here are some links I have used in the past to get GIS coverage for various areas. I recommend you contact someone at the EPA in Corvallis, OR to see if they have it available. ftp://ftp.epa.gov/wed/ecoregions/ http://www.epa.gov/wed/pages/ecoregions/level_iii.htm *** Not sure what you mean by a GIS, though I suspect you mean GIS Data. And ecosystems? - There's the WWF Ecoregions data as well as a similar data set developed by Bailey. I think a third done by Omernik. The WWF file is available at the following site. The others can be had with a crafty google search. Assume you have GIS software to process the data as these aren't maps but raw GIS data. http://www.worldwildlife.org/ecoregions/ecoregions_map.htm *** --j -- Jonathan Greenberg Graduate Group in Ecology, U.C. Davis http://www.cstars.ucdavis.edu/~jongreen http://www.cstars.ucdavis.edu AIM: jgrn307 or jgrn3007 MSN: jgrn307@msn.com or jgrn3007@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:00:13 -0800 From: Jonathan Greenberg <greenberg@UCDAVIS.EDU> Subject: Funding clearinghouse sites (responses) Here is a list of sites I was emailed: http://www.cos.com/ (I got a lot of people directing me here, and actually had found it before I started getting responses -- this IS a good site). http://grants.ecocrawler.org/ http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/bsc/english/funding.htm http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~ckwillia: From there the table of contents on the left leads you to "funding in ecology" http://www.nmnh.si.edu/BIRDNET/Grants/index.html Thanks to all that responded... Now, where IS all the funding? :) Waiting for the gov't grants to start being announced again -- apparently the various departments just found out about their funding a few weeks ago... --j -- Jonathan Greenberg Graduate Group in Ecology, U.C. Davis http://www.cstars.ucdavis.edu/~jongreen http://www.cstars.ucdavis.edu AIM: jgrn307 or jgrn3007 MSN: jgrn307@msn.com or jgrn3007@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:48:07 -0800 From: Jay Bancroft <jsbancroft@PW.ARS.USDA.GOV> Subject: press I would like to challenge Ecologists to take a few minutes and think about how their work is affected by the Iraq conflict. This is a touchy subject, but ESA has a minor role to play. I would love to see ESA put a press release or position paper at http://www.esa.org/pao/press_releases/ There is no doubt current policy has effects on our work, and I think the stature of the society would be helped by elucidating this. We might specify that member input address mass destruction in Iraq and widespread social disruption. I suspect the message summary would give voice to concerns of society members, which would be a nice note of caution for the world. -Jay Bancroft Ph.D. http://jsb95003.tripod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:05:23 -0600 From: Dave McNeely <dlmcneely@LUNET.EDU> Subject: Re: press Jay, I have no problem with addressing these questions as a private citizen. I also have no problem if ESA wishes to examine the relationship of war to ecological matters and make a statement concerning it based on member input. getting a statement that all members might support would be very difficult, I suspect. For example, bombing might disrupt bird migrations. The products of battle, or of troop concentrations, might effect water quality. But I am a little confused as to what exactly you are asking us to do in the present instance, and I have a hard time resolving whether we are the professional group best prepared to address whatever it is you want addressed, especially since you mention "social disruption." If you refer to the problems that present actions regarding student visas are creating, then there are definite concerns we can address. BTW, I don't mind saying, but I don't think this is something ESA can use in the way you seem to be proposing, that I find the whole idea of going to war repugnant, and beyond my understanding of what I think the United States is supposed to stand for in the world community. But my personal concerns on that are political, social, human, and so on. I am not sure they are ecological. Though I have a fairly intense feeling that the resources dedicated to a war effort must impact environment in a negative way (after all, explosives, fuel, and so on come from some where and they must have the same effects when used for destruction that they have when used for development, or peaceful transportation), I don't know that I could provide a crisp analysis that would convince others. I believe in these regards, we are best served by acting in other arenas -- and some of us might feel and act very differently from how I might feel and act. You are welcome to use my thoughts so long as they are not distorted and are not used to support positions or ideas that I don't support. But since I am not sure what my thoughts mean, or what positions or ideas they support ................. . Maybe we are straying too far from ESA's purpose? Maybe the membership would rather we focus on experimental design, or primary productivity? Dave McNeely ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Bancroft" <jsbancroft@pw.ars.usda.gov> To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: press > I would like to challenge Ecologists to take a few minutes and think > about how their work is affected by the Iraq conflict. This is a touchy > subject, but ESA has a minor role to play. I would love to see ESA put > press release or position paper at > http://www.esa.org/pao/press_releases/ > There is no doubt current policy has effects on our work, and I think > the stature of the society would be helped by elucidating this. We migh > specify that member input address mass destruction in Iraq and > widespread social disruption. I suspect the message summary would give > voice to concerns of society members, which would be a nice note of > caution for the world. > -Jay Bancroft Ph.D. http://jsb95003.tripod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:52:04 -0600 From: Mike and Dawn Mohr <gd.mohr@VERIZON.NET> Subject: GRADUATE RESEARCH ASSISTANTSHIP (M.S.) AT COOPERATIVE WILDLIFE RESEARCH LABORATORY, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY AT CARBONDALE Closing date: Until filled GRADUATE RESEARCH ASSISTANTSHIP (M.S.) AT COOPERATIVE WILDLIFE RESEARCH LABORATORY, SOUTHERN ILLINOIS UNIVERSITY AT CARBONDALE RESEARCH TOPIC: Spatial organization of raccoons in the Mississippi River floodplain of southern Illinois. The Cooperative Wildlife Research Laboratory, Southern Illinois University at Carbondale, is inviting applications for a Graduate Research Assistantship (M.S.) beginning August 2003. Assistantships are on a 12-month basis and pay $1,184/month plus full tuition waiver and support for research activities. For more information about our graduate program, see http://www.siu.edu/~wildlife Successful applicant will study raccoon ecology in southern Illinois. Project objectives are to: (1) estimate home range size and overlap, (2) quantify movement patterns, and (3) assess spatial organization relative to agricultural crop damage and potential disease transmission. Field research activities will consist of live-trapping, radiotelemetry, population abundance estimation, and crop damage evaluation. Quantitative analyses will include habitat use, population dynamics, home ranges, and movements, and entail the use of a GIS, multivariate statistics, and several computer software programs. QUALIFICATIONS: Graduate studies will lead to a M.S. in Zoology (with emphasis in Wildlife Ecology) at Southern Illinois University at Carbondale. To be considered, an applicant must have (1) completed a Bachelor's degree in Wildlife Ecology, Zoology, or related field; (2) achieved a GPA ?3.0; and (3) scored ?1100 combined on the verbal and quantitative sections of the GRE. Applicant must have superior quantitative skills and experience in capturing and radiotracking animals. Above all, he/she must be a hard worker, independent afield and at the computer, and be able to work in adverse field conditions. APPLICATION: Provide a letter of interest that includes (1) a brief biographical sketch including career goals; and (2) a resume including previous experience, GRE scores, and GPA. Application packets will be provided to candidates selected for further consideration. Mail, FAX, or e-mail materials to: Dr. Clay Nielsen Cooperative Wildlife Research Laboratory Mailcode 6504 Southern Illinois University at Carbondale Carbondale, IL 62901 FAX: 618-453-6944 E-mail: kezo92@siu.edu Southern Illinois University at Carbondale is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer ------------------------------ Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 10 Mar 2003 to 11 Mar 2003 (#2003-68) There are 12 messages totalling 694 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Wildlife Capture Course - New session 2. =?iso-8859-1?Q?Braun's_Deciduous_Forests_of_Eastern_North_America?= 3. repost-field research supervisor, south-central Florida 4. citation minutia (2) 5. Call for Papers Deadline Approaching - WWC2003 6. Postdoc: Ecosystems / Food webs / Watersheds, Miami Univ. 7. NPS I&M Program Manager - Colorado Plateau 8. Post-doc opportunity: Ericoid mycorrhizal diversity and nutrient uptake in arctic plants 9. Ecology text recommendations (2) 10. Postdoc: tree-ring analysis applied to forest productivity, Edmonton ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:22:02 -0500 From: Ellen M Rogers <ellenm@SEACOAST.COM> Subject: Wildlife Capture Course - New session Wildlife Capture Course - New session Due to larger than expected response, we have opened another session of our Wildlife Capture short course: 31 May - 8 June. Our courses take place in South Africa during June, July, and August, and we offer academic credits through Western Kentucky University. Thank you in advance, Andre Pienaar Director, Parawild WILDLIFE CAPTURE COURSE, South Africa, Summer 2003. For students and professionals in wildlife conservation: learn professional and humane animal handling during capture, including chemical and mechanical game capture, drug delivery systems, immobilization drugs, and basic veterinary procedures. Hands-on experience will include darting practice and wildlife captures in free-ranging situations. All animal work is done for legitimate management reasons. Academic credit at the undergraduate or graduate levels, as well as Continuing Education Units (CEUs), are available through Western Kentucky University, USA for participation in this course. DATES OPEN: 31 May - 8 June, or 12-20 July, 2003 COST: $1850 (US dollars) CONTACT EMAIL: safari@parawild.co.za CONTACT ADDRESS: Parawild, PO Box 4101, Nelspruit 1200, South Africa PHONE: +27-82-468-7001 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:30:21 -0500 From: Andrea Herbert <AHerbert@BLACKBURNPRESS.COM> Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Braun's_Deciduous_Forests_of_Eastern_North_America?= First published in 1950, and still widely used as a reference today, "Deciduous Forests of Eastern North America" by Emma Lucy Braun describes in detail the trees and shrubs of the deciduous forest of Kentucky, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia and West Virginia. The Blackburn Press has recently returned the book to print, making it available to libraries, scholars, ecologists, land preservationists and others who would like to own or replace a copy of a classic book. The author was a pivotal influence in the then-developing field of plant ecology. The Ecological Society of America elected Braun its first woman president in 1950. For more information, see: http://www.blackburnpress.com/forestry.html or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/193066530X/qid=1046725797/sr=1 -1/ref=sr_1_1/102-4549206-9585727?v=glance&s=books The Blackburn Press is a relatively new publishing company, founded with the mission of keeping in print and available for purchase at reasonable prices book titles that larger publishers have lost interest in and have declared to be "out of print." It specializes in scientific and technical books that are classics in their field. (See www.blackburnpress.com). While it is not well-positioned to bring every out-of-print book back into production, its editors are eager to hear from authors and readers about out-of-print books that have value and should be returned to print. Please contact Frances Reed, Publisher, at freed@blackburnpress.com. Andrea Herbert The Blackburn Press Publishers of classic scientific and technical books P.O.Box 287, Caldwell, N.J. 07006 973-228-7077 Fax: 973-228-7276 AHerbert@BlackburnPress.com Explore the latest additions to our list at http://www.BlackburnPress.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:31:49 -0500 From: "Schwalm, Donelle \"Doni\"" <dschwalm@ARCHBOLD-STATION.ORG> Subject: repost-field research supervisor, south-central Florida This is a repost of a previous advertisement. Please do not reply to me! App ications and questions regarding the position should be directed to rbowman@ rchbold-station.org. FIELD RESEARCH SUPERVISOR needed for a continuing project studying the popul tion dynamics of red-cockaded woodpeckers at Avon Park Air Force Range, in s uth-central Florida. Duties include searching for nests and monitoring repro uctive success, trapping and banding adults and nestlings, collecting morpho ogical data on adults and nestlings, accurately reading color bands, climbin trees using sectional ladders, locating, GPSing and collecting data on new avity trees, maintaining project databases, data analysis, report preparatio , providing habitat management recommendations, and supervision of seasonal ield assistants. The position requires independent work in remote areas of a 100,000 acre military reserve as well as adjoining private lands. Familiarit with computers, especially word processing, database, and statistical progr ms is necessary. Previous experience with many of the required duties, but e pecially handling and banding birds, especially red-cockaded wood! peckers is desirable. Candidates are expected to work independently under ho -humid field conditions in remote areas. MS degree in biology, ecology, or w ldlife preferred, but not essential. Position start date is flexible, but mu t be able to begin no later than 15 May 2002. Funding available through Janu ry 2005, with extensions likely. Salary dependent upon experience. Benefits nclude health and dental insurance, pension plans, and paid holidays/vacatio and the opportunity to be part of an active scientific community at Archbol Biological Station. Send a letter of interest, CV, and the names, phone num ers and email addresses of three references ASAP to: Dr. Reed Bowman Archbold Biological Station P.O. Box 2057 Lake Placid, FL 33862 (863) 465-2571 ext. 229 (phone) (863) 699-1927 (fax) rbowman@archbold-station.org E-mail applications are strongly encouraged. Donelle Schwalm Research Assistant III Archbold Biological Station 475 Easy Street Avon Park, FL 33825 (863) 784-0746 dschwalm@archbold-station.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:05:19 +0800 From: Cara Lin Bridgman <caralinb@MS68.HINET.NET> Subject: Re: citation minutia My vote is for c, but only if you can't get hold of the original. It's honest and it provides a trail. Naturally, we all expect these sorts of citations to be rare events. Too many in one paper may merely indicate honest laziness. For some sources, c may be your only option. Some of my sources are obscure publications now eroding away from the acid in the paper. So, if they're hard to find now, they'll be harder to get hold of later. Actually, I'm thinking of a variation on c. Within the text, you'd cite Jones (1952), but in the reference, you'd write it as Jones (complete reference) cited in Smith (complete reference). Cara Lin Bridgman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Weber, Theodore" <TWEBER@DNR.STATE.MD.US> > To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:58 AM > Subject: citation minutia > > > > Dear ecologgers, > > > > If one cites literature review information from the introduction o > background of a journal article, rather than information actually produ ed > by the journal author(s) (i.e., their research), should one: > > a) cite the journal article author only, > > b) cite the reviewed author only, or > > c) cite both (e.g.: Jones, 1990 in Smith, 2002). > > > > My inclination is to follow (c), but I think (a) is more often use (and > thus that's what I usually use). Or should one avoid citing background > information entirely, and go read the reviewed authors (assuming the te ts > can be accessed)? What do you think? > > > > thanks, > > > > Ted Weber > > Landscape ecologist > > Watershed Management and Analysis Division > > Chesapeake and Coastal Watershed Service > > Maryland Department of Natural Resources > > 580 Taylor Ave, E-2 > > Annapolis, MD 21401 > > phone: 410-260-8802 > > fax: 410-260-8779 > > email: tweber@dnr.state.md.us > > > > ============================================== > > Visit http://www.ecologyfund.com/ to protect > > wild land for free, just by clicking a button! > > ============================================== > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:11:11 -0500 From: World Wolf Congress 2003 - The Wolf Project <congress@GRAYWOLF.C > Subject: Call for Papers Deadline Approaching - WWC2003 WORLD WOLF CONGRESS 2003 CALL FOR PAPERS DEADLINE QUICKLY APPROACHING Members Dear Members, This is a quick email to remind everyone that the Call for Papers deadline f r the World Wolf Congress 2003 - Bridging Science and Community is quickly a proaching. The deadline for abstract submissions is Saturday March 15, 2003 23:59 Mountain time - Canada). We have received many abstracts to date and look forward to receiving all su missions from interested persons. In fairness to all, no abstracts will be e aluated until after the March 15 deadline. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. On behalf of the World Wolf Congress 2003 Scientific Advisory Committee, Carolyn Callaghan and Marco Musiani ********************************************************************* The Central Rockies Wolf Project Presents World Wolf Congress 2003 - Bridging Science and Community September 25-28, 2003 www.worldwolfcongress.ca "Wolf Conservation Through Research and Education" The Central Rockies Wolf Project 502 Bow Valley Trail, Suite 203 Canmore, Alberta Canada T1W 1N9 Tel: 403-678-9633 Fax: 403-678-9729 www.graywolf.ca ********************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:52:39 -0500 From: David Inouye <inouye@umd.edu> Subject: Postdoc: Ecosystems / Food webs / Watersheds, Miami Univ. POSTDOCTORAL POSITION: Ecosystems / Food webs / Watersheds A postdoctoral position in aquatic ecology is available at Miami University, under direction of Michael J. Vanni. Areas of interest include carbon and nutrient cycling at ecosystem and watershed scales, and food web interactions. Individuals with experience or interest in the study of carbon flow from watersheds through aquatic food webs are particularly encouraged to apply, as are individuals with skills in time series analysis. This is a one-year appointment with renewal for an additional year. Start date is summer or fall 2003, with a starting annual salary of ~$30,000 plus full benefits including health and dental coverage. The ecology group at Miami is an active and growing group, with >30 faculty. Please visit our websites for more information about ecology faculty (www.muohio.edu/ecology), field and research facilities (www.muohio.edu/erc), our ecology REU site (www.muohio.edu/ecoreu) and the Department of Zoology (http://zoology.muohio.edu/). Interested persons should contact Mike Vanni (see below). To apply for this position, please send a cover letter briefly describing research experiences and interests; academic transcripts; curriculum vitae; reprints; and 3 letters of recommendation to the address below. Review of applications will begin 15 April 2003 and continue until a suitable candidate is found. Send inquiries and/or applications to: Dr. Michael J. Vanni Department of Zoology Miami University Oxford, Ohio 45056 Phone: 513-529-3192 Fax: 513-529-6900 vannimj@muohio.edu Miami University is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:38:32 -0500 From: "R. O. Bierregaard, Jr." <rbierreg@EMAIL.UNCC.EDU> Subject: citation minutia >I responded to the original post (all the way down) directly to the >original poster, but since responses are going out to the list, I >see option "c" as appropriate. I have edited a couple of books >(pubished by Yale and Chicago) and that's the approach I used. I >interpret such a citation as meaning that the author couldn't find >the original reference for one reason or another. I do not agree >with Dave McNeely's suggestion to leave out the original source, >which makes the reader find two publications. If the author is >stuck at Antarctica University and simply can't find an obscure >reference, cite it as Jones (1990 in Smith 2002) with the Jones >citation in the bibliography. Why make the reader look up the Smith >2002 paper to find the Jone citation it the Smith Literature Cited? Rob Bierregaard Dave McNeely's response: One should not cite a report one has not read. Most of the time, if the author of the report you are reading found the original, then you can, too. There is a legitimate way around this when the primary reference is simply unavailable. Cite the source where you got the information, not as the source of the data, but rather as the source for where the data may be found. That is sort of your third example below. However, the citation still leaves a bit of ambiguity. It would be better to say something like, "D.L. Jones reported in 1990 that there were 10 pairs of nesting bald eagles in Melagra County in 1988 (Smith, 2002)." Notice that you are NOT citing Jones here, and Jones will not appear in your literature cited list. You are citing Smith as you source for what Jones reported. After all, you don't want to claim that you know from reading the original that the data support what the secondary source reports them to support. Interested readers may then consult Smith, find the citation for Jones there, and seek Jones's report. Editor's opinions? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Weber, Theodore" <TWEBER@DNR.STATE.MD.US> >To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> >Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:58 AM >Subject: citation minutia > > >> Dear ecologgers, >> >> If one cites literature review information from the introduction o >background of a journal article, rather than information actually produc d >by the journal author(s) (i.e., their research), should one: >> a) cite the journal article author only, >> b) cite the reviewed author only, or >> c) cite both (e.g.: Jones, 1990 in Smith, 2002). >> >> My inclination is to follow (c), but I think (a) is more often use (and >thus that's what I usually use). Or should one avoid citing background >information entirely, and go read the reviewed authors (assuming the tex s >can be accessed)? What do you think? >> >> thanks, >> >> Ted Weber >> Landscape ecologist >> Watershed Management and Analysis Division >> Chesapeake and Coastal Watershed Service >> Maryland Department of Natural Resources >> 580 Taylor Ave, E-2 >> Annapolis, MD 21401 >> phone: 410-260-8802 >> fax: 410-260-8779 >> email: tweber@dnr.state.md.us >> >> ============================================== >> Visit http://www.ecologyfund.com/ to protect >> wild land for free, just by clicking a button! >> ============================================== -- Rob Bierregaard Biology Dept. UNC-Charlotte 704 333 2405 http://www.bioweb.uncc.edu/bierregaard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:01:08 -0700 From: Angela_Evenden@NPS.GOV Subject: NPS I&M Program Manager - Colorado Plateau ** Please distribute this announcement widely - Great opportunity on the Colorado Plateau ** Inventory and Monitoring Program Manager (Supervisory Ecologist - 0408) National Park Service Northern Colorado Plateau Network March 2003 The National Park Service (NPS) seeks an ecologist to serve as program manager for the Northern Colorado Plateau Network (NCPN) Inventory and Monitoring (I&M) Program. This position is duty stationed at Moab, Utah and is co-located with the headquarters for the National Park Service, Southeast Utah Group and the U.S. Geological Survey, Biological Resources Division, Canyonlands Field Station. This is a permanent, full-time position, at the GS-13 grade level (salary range $66,543 to 86,509 per year). The incumbent will serve as 'team leader' for a highly motivated group of network staff (presently consisting of seven employees) and will be responsible for continued planning, management, implementation and coordination of all aspects of the nationally recognized NCPN I&M Program. The NCPN Program encompasses four primary program areas: 1) biological inventories (vascular plants and vertebrates); 2) NCPN vital signs monitoring; 3) Northern Colorado Plateau Prototype monitoring; and 4) basic resource inventories (e.g. vegetation mapping and soils mapping). The I&M Program addresses vegetation, wildlife, sensitive species, exotic and pest species, fisheries, ecosystem processes, climate, air and water quality, soils, geology, hydrology, paleontology and other physical sciences and range management. Program development is closely coordinated with other NPS programs and federal and state land management and scientific programs. The incumbent will be responsible for ensuring scientific rigor and oversight to NCPN I&M program development and implementation. Duties include responsibility for identification of indicators for monitoring, development and testing of monitoring protocols, development of monitoring and research designs and workplans, data assessment, analysis and management, publication and technology transfer of results. Data management and reporting is a critical component of the program. Integral to program success is acquisition of new knowledge through research and effectively communicating that knowledge to park managers, scientists, academics and the public at large. The variety, complexity, and political sensitivity of network park resource issues requires a highly credible, strategic, interdisciplinary approach to scientific work and education. Additionally the incumbent will be responsible for all aspects of program management including formulation and management of budgets; development, negotiation and management of cooperative agreements, contracts and similar instruments; development and management of staffing and workplans and preparation of annual program reports. As needed, the incumbent is expected to develop funding proposals and establish creative partnerships to support NCPN I&M program goals. Additional Information: The Northern Colorado Plateau Network is comprised of 16 park units in Utah, western Colorado, southwest Wyoming and northern Arizona: Arches NP, Black Canyon of the Gunnison NP, Bryce Canyon NP, Canyonlands NP, Capitol Reef NP, Cedar Breaks NM, Colorado NM, Curecanti NRA, Dinosaur NM, Fossil Butte NM, Golden Spike NHS, Hovenweep NM, Natural Bridges NM, Pipe Spring NM, Timpanogos Cave NM and Zion NP. The NCPN was established in 2000 to efficiently and effectively inventory and monitor natural resources in NCPN parks and surrounding ecosystems. The NCPN I&M Program is presently in the planning phase of monitoring program development. Full implementation of the monitoring program is anticipated in 2006. Overall direction for the program is provided by a Board of Directors (BOD) consisting of 5 park superintendents and a technical committee comprised of park natural resource management staff. The Servicewide I&M Program staff provide general scientific guidance. The incumbent works collaborativley with these various entities as well as individual park and network staff in formulating and executing the NCPN program. Information on the National Park Service Inventory and Monitoring Program and Natural Resource Challenge is located at http://www.nature.nps.gov/im/monitor. How to Apply: This position is open through March 21, 2003 and has been posted on the USAJobs website. The position is open to all sources and the announcement and application instructions are available on the USA Jobs Website ( http://www.USAJOBS.opm.gov) and at the following web addresses. http://jsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/ftva.asp?OPMControl=IL2828 http://jsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/ftva.asp?OPMControl=IL2842 Carefully follow instructions in the job announcement. For more information about this position please contact the Northern Colorado Plateau Network at 435.719.2342. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:16:46 -0600 From: Loretta Johnson <johnson@POP.KSU.EDU> Subject: Post-doc opportunity: Ericoid mycorrhizal diversity and nutrient uptake in arctic plants Position Announcement Date: March 11, 2003 Position: Postdoctoral Research Associate: Ericoid mycorrhizal fungal diversity and nutrient uptake in arctic plants A position for a postdoctoral research associate is available to work on a project to determine the diversity of ericoid mycorrhizal fungi and the importance of that diversity for plant productivity and nutrient uptake in arctic tundra. The research associate will work with Kansas State University researchers Ari Jumpponen (Mycologist) and Loretta Johnson (Ecosystem Ecologist). The goals of the program are to characterize mycorrhizal fungi from ericaceous plants using morphological and molecular approaches as well as determine the ability of plants and ErM fungi for uptake of complex organic sources of nitrogen under laboratory and field conditions. The project involves a field component at the Toolik Lake Long Term Ecological Research Site on Alaska's North Slope and a laboratory component at Kansas State University. Applicants should be available to begin work on the project during summer 2003 or at the latest fall 2003. Applicants should have experience in working with pure cultures and molecular techniques or plant/fungal ecology and stable isotopes. Review of applications will begin April 1 and continue until position is filled. For further information on the available positions contact Ari Jumpponen (ari@ksu.edu; tel. 785 532 6751) or Loretta Johnson (johnson@ksu.edu; tel. 785 532 6921). *********************** Dr. Loretta C. Johnson Associate Professor Division of Biology Ackert Hall Rm 232 Kansas State University Manhattan, KS 66506 USA email: johnson@ksu.edu phone: 785-532-6921 FAX: 785-532-6653 http://www.ksu.edu/johnsonlab/ Learn about our new Ecological Genomics research initiative and student and post-doctoral training opportunities by visiting our web page at http://www.ksu.edu/ecogen Learn more about the Kansas State University Stable Isotope Mass Spectrometry Laboratory by visiting our webpage at http://www.ksu.edu/simsl. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:53:29 -0600 From: Chris Brown <cabrown@TNTECH.EDU> Subject: Ecology text recommendations To all, As seems to come up more than once this time of year, I have a request for opinions about undergraduate ecology texts. I have been asked to teach ecology somewhat at the last minute (rather than my scheduled animal behavior course), and so must pick a text. In the past I've used the large Begon et al (BHT) text, as well as the shorter Townsend et al (THB). While BHT is my personal favorite, undergrads find it difficult reading, and I've not been that impressed personally with THB (perhaps just due to unfair comparisons with the big book). I've also used Ricklefs and Miller for myself, but again find the writing style much too dense for an undergrad class. Pianka's book, while a good evolutionary ecology text, doesn't quite have enough ecology for this course. I'm therefore narrowed down to one of the following three: Ecology and Field Biology by Smith and Smith; Ecology by Stiling; or Ecology by Molles. While I have some initial impressions of each, I would like to hear from anyone having used one of these texts. Specifically, how do the students feel about the reading level AND the level of math comprehension needed (a complaint I've heard about both BHT and Ricklefs and Miller)? And are there any major omissions (or welcome inclusions)? Thanks in advance, Chris ********************************************* Chris Brown, PhD Assistant Professor Department of Biology Box 5063 Tennessee Technological University Cookeville, TN 38505 phone: (931) 372-6258 email: cabrown@tntech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:03:13 -0600 From: Dave McNeely <dlmcneely@LUNET.EDU> Subject: Re: Ecology text recommendations Chris, I am presently using (and have used before) THB, after years of using BHT. My impressions are the same as yours, and I am using the shorter book mainly because of student complaints about the longer one, my favorite general ecology book of all time. But I find the shorter book generally doesn't provide enough support (or enough argument?) for the concepts presented. I have also used Krebs, with the same result I got with BHT. I don't like the big Smith and Smith -- I think that the logical presentation of individuals (environmental physiology), populations, communities, then ecosystems makes pedagogical sense. Smith always seemed a jumble. The shorter Smith better fits the order of presentation I prefer, but has the same limitations as the other short texts like THB and Molles. An advantage (I think someone else on this list mentioned this before) of THB is that it includes a separate section on evolution, albeit at a rather elementary level similar to a freshman biology text. I used Molles one term. I know that it is used at some prestigious institutions (UC Berkeley for one), and a good many people like it for its approach of teaching by case history. My students wanted the principle pointed out forcefully to them, with cases to support it. Some people think that Molles goes about it the other way around, sort of teaching by example, then getting around to saying what the example illustrates. I think that we can teach with almost any book that gives the students a crutch to lean on, if we don't let the crutch become too important. THB is a bit thin (literally, but I refer to its sketchiness in places), but then my students at least read it, whereas for some of the denser sections of BHT, they just gave up or didn't bother. I once told Ricklefs that I would use his book if I taught at Princeton, or UT Austin, or some such place, but that the average student at a regional university just gives up when faced with such a challenge. Unfortunate, but true. Dave McNeely ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Brown" <cabrown@TNTECH.EDU> To: <ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Ecology text recommendations > To all, > > As seems to come up more than once this time of year, I have a > request for opinions about undergraduate ecology texts. I have been > asked to teach ecology somewhat at the last minute (rather than my > scheduled animal behavior course), and so must pick a text. In the past > I've used the large Begon et al (BHT) text, as well as the shorter > Townsend et al (THB). While BHT is my personal favorite, undergrads fin > it difficult reading, and I've not been that impressed personally with > THB (perhaps just due to unfair comparisons with the big book). I've > also used Ricklefs and Miller for myself, but again find the writing > style much too dense for an undergrad class. Pianka's book, while a goo > evolutionary ecology text, doesn't quite have enough ecology for this > course. I'm therefore narrowed down to one of the following three: > Ecology and Field Biology by Smith and Smith; Ecology by Stiling; or > Ecology by Molles. While I have some initial impressions of each, I > would like to hear from anyone having used one of these texts. > Specifically, how do the students feel about the reading level AND the > level of math comprehension needed (a complaint I've heard about both > BHT and Ricklefs and Miller)? And are there any major omissions (or > welcome inclusions)? > > Thanks in advance, > Chris > > ********************************************* > Chris Brown, PhD > Assistant Professor > Department of Biology > Box 5063 > Tennessee Technological University > Cookeville, TN 38505 > phone: (931) 372-6258 > email: cabrown@tntech.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:50:16 -0500 From: David Inouye <inouye@umd.edu> Subject: Postdoc: tree-ring analysis applied to forest productivity, Edmonto Post Doctoral Position in tree-ring analysis applied to forest productivity research at Northern Forestry Centre, Canadian Forest Service, Natural Resources Canada, Edmonton, CANADA Applications are invited for a Postdoctoral Research Fellowship position in tree-ring analysis and forest productivity research at the Northern Forestry Centre (NOFC), Canadian Forest Service, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada. The successful candidate will be working primarily on the project entitled "Tree-ring based estimation of spatial and temporal variation in forest productivity across Canada". He or she will analyse the temporal variation in biomass accumulation rates over a large spatial scale for different forest regions across Canada and estimate inter-annual variation in biomass productivity to contribute to empirical models. The analyses of forest productivity will be carried out in conjunction with a national project on Canada's National Forest Carbon Monitoring, Accounting and Reporting System (Drs. Kurz and Apps, PFC, Victoria) of which the team at the Northern Forestry Centre is an integral part. Candidates should have demonstrated expertise in quantitative data base management, time series analyses, and the estimation of biomass dynamics using growth increment data. A completed (or imminent) Ph.D. in tree ring research or a closely related field is required. Applicants should submit their letter of application, a resume (including a list of publications) and statement of research interests to: Dr. Jag Bhatti, Northern Forestry Centre, 5320 122nd Street, Edmonton, AB, Canada, T6H 3S5, or email at: Jbhatti@NRCAN.GC.Ca <mailto:Jbhatti@NRCAN.GC.Ca>. The review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. We expect the successful candidate to begin in June 2003 at earliest and by September 2003 at latest. ------------------------------ End of ECOLOG-L Digest - 10 Mar 2003 to 11 Mar 2003 (#2003-68) ************************************************************** ÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿÿ
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