ECOLOG-L Digest - 20 May 2001 to 21 May 2001
Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 20 May 2001 to 21 May 2001 There are 7 messages totalling 440 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 2001 Training Workshops 2. Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story (3) 3. Instability of ordination programs. 4. GIS & Remote Sensing for Wildlife Managers 5. Environmental Job Openings from EnviroNetwork ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:39:37 -0500 From: Holly Nelson <holly_nelson@USGS.GOV> Subject: 2001 Training Workshops 2001 TRAINING WORKSHOPS U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY NATIONAL WETLAND RESEARCH CENTER & MID-CONTINENT MAPPING CENTER IN COOPERATION WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE 700 CAJUNDOME BLVD. LAFAYETTE, LA. 70506-3154 PHONE (337) 266-8699 TRAINING/WORKSHOP FACILITY IS THE NWRC-ANNEX CONTACT: pat_o'neil@usgs.gov WEBSITE: http://www.nwrc.usgs.go= v The U.S. Geological Survey of the Department of the Interior is present= ing a series of topical workshops pertaining to mapping, vegetation, photo-interpretation, remote sensing and Geographical Information Syste= ms. The workshops are part of an effort to exchange information and provide= access to spatial technologies developed at the center for natural reso= urce survey. The workshops are available to the general public educators, s= tate and federal agencies. Workshop participation by the international community is also greatly encouraged. Workshop participants are eligib= le to receive continuing education units (CEU's) for a fee of $10 in addit= ion to the standard registration expense. Most of the workshops are 3 days long, creating compact presentation of= materials. No previous experience in any of the topical workshop is assumed, except for advanced workshops. Appropriate handouts, photos, maps, and other forms of distributed materials are provided to the work= shop participants. Some workshops will have scheduled field exercises. Hands-on exercises are utilized to involve workshop participation. Specialized workshop topics and transient workshops can be arranged bas= ed upon consultation and number of workshop participants. Scheduled works= hops are subject to change. Please contact the workshop coordinator at the listed phone number for workshop information. February 6-8 Introduction to National Wetlands Classificati= on System March 13-15 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources April 24-26 Hydric Soils and Wetland Delineations May 12 WETMAAP (Wetland Education through Maps and Aerial Photography) June 13 Introduction to Geospatial Control Information for Natural Resources June 19-21 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources June 20-21 Introduction to the Identification of Wetland Forest Trees July 17-18 Metadata for Geospatial Data August 14-16 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources September 18-20 Introduction to GPS for Natural Resources October 24-26 Introduction to Wetland Remote Sensing and Map= ping October 29-31 Advanced Wetland Photo-Interpretation December 4-6 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources = ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:34:08 -0400 From: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> Subject: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post ran = a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so much = earlier this year on the listserver. Due to copyright laws, I cannot post the whole story here, but to read the = story online, go to: <<< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001May20. tml = >>> Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that = have been written in the past couple of months. -Alison ___________________ Alison Gillespie Public Affairs Officer Ecological Society of America 1707 H Street NW Suite 400 Washington, DC 20006 202-833-8773 ext 211 alison@esa.org fax: 202-833-8775=20 http://esa.sdsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:30:37 -0500 From: MICHAEL W PALMER <carex@OSUUNX.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU> Subject: Re: Instability of ordination programs. The 'instability' problem in Decorana (and hence early versions of Canoco) has been corrected in PC-ORD and Canoco. However, any sort of classification algorithm (like TWINSPAN) is very sensitive to the details of your data set. If you add or remove one intermediate sample, your results can change dramatically. Since classification of vegetation is inherently subjective and arbitrary, just use whichever results from whichever technique you find most useful and interpretable - but don't fall into the 'reification' trap of assuming that vegetation classes have any sort of objective reality. --Mike On Mon, 21 May 2001, Lynne SheldonSayer wrote: > Hi I am a Masters Student looking at plant communities on an > Island in New Zealand. My Supervisor suggested using Twinspan. > However another person suggested that it is susceptible to > extreme instability and suggested that i use Canoco. I have read > the article by Oksananen and Minchin and visited the website > mentioned in this article. I am now confused as to which would be > the best way to analysis my data. I would appreciate any > comments about these programs positive or negative. Thanks > Lynne. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - > --------------- > Lynne Sheldon-Sayer BSc (Hons) MSc in progress > Ecology and Entomology Group > Lincoln University > PO Box 84 > Lincoln > Canterbury > New Zealand > ________________________________________ Michael W. Palmer Department of Botany 104 LSE Oklahoma State University Stillwater, OK 74078 USA carex@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Office phone: 405-744-7717 FAX: 405-744-7074 ordination web page: www.okstate.edu/artsci/botany/ordinate ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:03:00 -0000 From: Peter Leimgruber <crcgis@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: GIS & Remote Sensing for Wildlife Managers <html><DIV>The Smithsonian Institution's Conservation & Rese rch Center is hosting an Introduction to the use of Geographic Information Systems & Remote Sensing in Conservation and Wildlife Management training course. Thi is a one-week course and is offered June 18-22.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Increasingly, Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and Remote Sen ing have become important tools for decision making and the applied management of natural resources. Many federal agencies and NGO's rely on GIS and satellit data for their work and are starting to produce their own spatial databases However, there are few training opportunities for wildlife managers to lear the application of GIS in everyday management situations. Our course will provide hands-on experience for the collection of data, GIS analysis of the data, and map making. </DIV> <P>This short course will provide wildlife managers with a working kno ledge about the application of Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and Remote Sensing to the monitoring and management of wildlife and forest vegetation. Exercises in establishing locations with a Global Positioning System (GPS), data input into a GIS, and spatial analysis techniques for GIS will provide hands-on and real world experience during the course. Based on examples abo t habitat selection in songbirds and white-tailed deer, course participants w ll learn how to: </P> <DIV></DIV>-Collect GIS data in the field using survey technique and GPS <DIV></DIV>-Differentially correct GPS data <DIV></DIV>-Input GPS data into GIS <DIV></DIV>-Input field data into GIS <DIV></DIV>-Use GIS for management of large data sets from multi le sources <DIV></DIV>-Design and perform analysis using GIS data and spati l analysis techniques. <DIV></DIV>-Integrate data with ancillary data, such as satellit imagery, aerial photography, and State Agency databases. <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Please see our web page for more information: http://www.si.edu/crc/tp/tp_gis/tp_gis.htm <DIV></DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download f MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br> </p></html> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:00:30 -0400 From: EnviroNetwork@NATURALIST.COM Subject: Environmental Job Openings from EnviroNetwork Title: Summer Naturalist Company: Montecito Sequoia Location: Kings Canyon National Park, California For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3813 Title: Environmental Planner Company: Wilbur Smith Associates, Inc. Location: Columbia, South Carolina For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3812 Title: Environmental, Health & Safety Auditor Company: Parker Hannifin Location: Cleveland, Ohio For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3811 Title: Project Manager / PM-0521 Company: Vanasse, Hangen, Brustlin, Inc Location: Watertown, Massachusetts For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3810 Title: Director of Energy Services / DES 0521 Company: Vanasse, Hangen, Brustlin, Inc Location: Watertown, Massachusetts For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3809 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:20:48 -0700 From: "Bob Parcelles,Jr." <rjparcelles@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Re: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story --- Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> wrote: I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post ran = a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so much = earlier this year on the listserver. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001May20.html Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that have been written in the past couple of months. -Alison ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---------------Allison and all, This 'rebutttal" is old news by a very inexperienced reporter. All of his myths have been debunked. Any one involved in science can surely see the trend in this administation to short -fund and otherwise make it difficult for scientists who work in the environmental fields. The Cheney White House (you better believe it ) talks about getting the facts and "making decisions based on science". But the scientists used are usually on the big business payroll. Government scientists and consultants (I am one) are givern narrow parameters. We need basic as well as apllied science and applied science must seek the truth no matter what its bias. Bob Parcelles, Jr. RJP Associates Pinellas Park, FL TRY THESE LINKS FOR THE REST OF THE STORY... http://www.peer.org or this one for large graphics and maps: http://www.peer.org/anwr ===== Bob Parcelles, Jr Pinellas Park, FL RJP Associates <rjpassociates@yahoo.com> rjparcelles@yahoo.com http://rainforest.care2.com/welcome?w=976131876 "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:09:32 -0400 From: Chris Rosamond <kiwdafish@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story So the spin from both sides begins... As one who lost his job while blowing the whistle on a major water quality fraud which was perpetrated by a "respectable" consulting firm, I am all too familiar with the slander tactics which both news media and the "respectable bosses" dealing with "unruly employees" are willing to toss about. Nonetheless, I have no Idea what really happened to Ian. None of us on the outside of this story will know exactly what happened to Ian Thomas, nor who made the termination decisions, nor why. Ian made a decision which cost him his livelihood. His supervisors likewise made decisions which will affect international opinion, and ANWR. Is there a bad guy? Or just a mishmash of different people doing what they consider to be the right thing? And, finally, what does Ian's shaving ability have to do with impartial press coverage? Chris Rosamond, Aquatic Biologist and sometime whistleblower/untalented shaver. >From: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> >Reply-To: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> >To: ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU >Subject: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story >Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:34:08 -0400 > >I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post r n >= >a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so mu h >= >earlier this year on the listserver. > >Due to copyright laws, I cannot post the whole story here, but to read t e >= >story online, go to: > > ><<< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001Ma 20.html = > >>> > >Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that >have been written in the past couple of months. > >-Alison > > > >___________________ > >Alison Gillespie >Public Affairs Officer >Ecological Society of America >1707 H Street NW >Suite 400 >Washington, DC 20006 >202-833-8773 ext 211 >alison@esa.org >fax: 202-833-8775=20 >http://esa.sdsc.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 17 May 2001 to 18 May 2001 There are 7 messages totalling 446 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Subject: Houston Article on Drilling in Public Lands 2. Ducks Unlimited, Inc - Intern Position 3. Multiple DO and pH measurement 4. How many fishes are there? (2) 5. NSF Workshops on Curriculum Development in Environmental Science for Undergraduate Faculty 6. sapflow in pines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:53:33 -0400 From: "David W. Inouye" <di5@umail.umd.edu> Subject: Subject: Houston Article on Drilling in Public Lands From: "Alison Gillespie" <Alison@esa.org> To: ecolog-l@umdd.umd.edu Subject: Houston Article on Drilling in Public Lands FYI: As a follow up to the string a few days ago about oil drilling and public = lands, there is an interesting story on the topic in the Houston Chronicle.= To read it, go to: << http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/913007 >>. ___________________ Alison Gillespie Public Affairs Officer Ecological Society of America 1707 H Street NW Suite 400 Washington, DC 20006 202-833-8773 ext 211 alison@esa.org fax: 202-833-8775=20 http://esa.sdsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:03:45 -0000 From: Grace Bottitta <gracebottitta@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Ducks Unlimited, Inc - Intern Position Ducks Unlimited, Inc - Intern Position Ducks Unlimited, Inc, the continent's leading wetland conservation organization, is seeking qualified candidates for an intern position at our national headquarters in Memphis, Tennessee. This position will entail several duties such as serving as the primary contact for conservation inquires, assisting with special outreach programs and events, and conducting an independent project. Additionally, this position will provide support for Conservation staff that may include topic research, data analysis and interpretation, proposal/grant writing, desktop publishing and presentation preparation. A successful candidate will have a minimum of a Bachelors degree, have a strong background in waterfowl and/or wetlands issues, and be available for employment immediately. The individual must demonstrate the ability to work independently. Additionally, strong written and oral communication skills are necessary. This full-time, one-year intern position will be located at Ducks Unlimited, Inc in Memphis Tennessee. The position will pay a stipend of $1300 per month. Please send a resume and letter describing your qualifications to Tina Yerkes, Research Scientist, Ducks Unlimited, Inc, One Waterfowl Way, Memphis TN or email tyerkes@ducks.org Deadline for submission of materials is 15 June 2001 Ducks Unlimited, Inc is an Equal Opportunity Employer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:29:54 -0400 From: Len Scinto <scintol@FIU.EDU> Subject: Multiple DO and pH measurement Hello Ecologgers: I would like to ask if anyone has experience simultaneously (or in rapid succession) recording pH and DO from several aquatic chambers located in wetlands. We would like to run several combination probes into a multiplexer then into one meter which feeds output to a datalogger which concurrently controls the switching of the multiplexer. I know Diamond General makes equipment like this so if anyone has experience with DG equipment I would appreciate a response. Any suggestions on other suppliers? The new Orion field meters do not (to my knowledge) have analog output which is needed if the Campbell Scientific Datalogger is going to be used to control and log measurements. Thank you in advance for replies. Len Scinto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 11:06:16 -0600 From: David Board <dboard@UALBERTA.CA> Subject: Re: How many fishes are there? I would not recommend this as a quiz question unless you ask the students to support their decision completely. Here's why. I would argue that both researcher B and C have a legitimate argument for their answer or that there both wrong and you could argue for either one as a reasonable estimate. First off the data we have is nested, samples within days. Researcher B essentially assumes that all the variance between days is due differences between days and none of it is due to sample. In other words 120 fish went up the river on day one and 245.3 went up the river on day two and on average 182.65 fish went up the river per day. We know this is false because the hours sampled were not equal for each day so some of the difference between these estimates is due to sampling error. Researcher C assumes that all the variance between days is due to sampling. In other words 195.2 fish went up the river on both days the apparent differenence is due to the difference in sampling. We don't know that the number of fish going up the river weren't equal but its probably a good bet that the number of fish were different each day. So both B and C are incorrect but I would probably choose C if I had no reason to believe the variation between days would be large and if there was likely to be no pattern in this variation. In the end the true answer probably lies between B and C's answer. Mixed effect modeling (or hierarchical modeling if you prefer) is capable of estimating a compromise between the two methods and I would be tempted to use this technique if the variation attributable to days was large but not on a quiz. Well there's two cents from a student. DaveB David Board Masters Student University of Alberta Edmonton Alberta T6G 2E9 dboard@ualberta.ca CANADA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Toshihide Hamazaki" <toshihide_hamazaki@fishgame.state.ak.us> To: <ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: How many fishes are there? > Ecologers, > > Recently, I had a good discussion with my colleague about estimating number > of fish, and I would like to share with you. This quiz is good for your > students. > > Here is the situation. > A group of researchers want to know how many salmons run up a river ove a > season. To estimate, they set a gillnet twice a day for several hours a d > counted the number of fish caught. The data looks like this: > > Day period # of fish hours cpue > caught gillnet (#fish/hours) > was set > 1 1 10 1 10 > 1 2 5 2 2.5 > 2 1 6 4 1.5 > 2 2 40 0.5 80 > > Based on the data total number of salmons over 2 days were estimated. > However, each researchers used different estimation methods. > > Researcher A estimated > Total salmon = 24*(mean cpue for day 1)+ 24*(mean cpue for day 2) > = 24*[(10+2.5)/2]+24*[(1.5+80)/2] = 1128 > > Researcher B estimated > Total salmon = 24*(mean cpue for day 1)+ 24*(mean cpue for day 2) > = 24*[(10+5)/(1+2)]+24*[(6+40)/(4+0.5)] = 365.3 > > Researcher C estimated > Total salmon = 24*2*(mean cpue for 2 days) > = 24*2*[(10+5+6+40)/(1+2+4+0.5)] = 390.4 > > As you see, estimation differed widely. > Whose estimate is correct? > > > Toshihide Hamazaki / Hamachan > > Alaska Department of Fish & Game > Commercial Fisheries Division > 333 Raspberry Rd. > Anchorage Alaska 99518 > Ph: 907-267-2158 > Fax: 907-267-2442 > e-mail: toshihide_hamazaki@fishgame.state.ak.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:18:09 -0400 From: "Daniel E. Buckley" <Buckley@MAINE.EDU> Subject: NSF Workshops on Curriculum Development in Environmental Science fo Undergraduate Faculty --=====================_18249018==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The National Science Foundation is sponsoring three regional workshops on=20 curriculum development, course implementation and grant-writing to support= =20 courses or course modules in environmental science. The workshops offers a= =20 course model for science education that melds classroom instruction, field= =20 and laboratory techniques and cooperative learning, and addresses=20 environmental problems in local communities. The model has been used=20 successfully for undergraduate and graduate courses in biology, chemistry,= =20 geology, engineering and environmental science across the nation. The=20 four day workshops are free to participants, but they or their institutions= =20 must provide for their travel. Currently all three workshops have=20 available space and potential participants are encouraged to contact the=20 following regional leaders for information about their workshop. Dr. Dan Buckley Department of Natural Sciences 173 High Street University of Maine at Farmington Farmington, ME 04938 Buckley@maine.edu 207-778-7395 Fax:: 207-778-7365 Workshop Dates: Mon, June 25 =96 Fri, June 29, 2001 For further information on the UMF Workshop e-mail questions to the above=20 address or visit the following URL http://violet.umf.maine.edu/~buckley/UMF%20brochure.htm Dr. Assad Panah Professor and Director Department of Geology and Environmental Science University of Pittsburgh at Bradford 300 Campus Drive Bradford, PA 16701 E-mail: aap@pitt.edu Phone: 814-362-7569 Fax: 814-362-5088 Dates: Sat, July 28 =96 Wed, August 1, 2001 For further information contact Dr. Panah by e-mail Dr. Frank Romano Department of Biology Jacksonville State University 700 Pelham Road North Jacksonville, AL 36265-1602 Tel: 256-782-5038 Fax: 256-782-5587 E-mail: fromano@jsucc.jsu.edu Dates: Wed, August 8 =96 Sun, August 12, 2001 For further information contact Dr. Romano by e-mail Daniel E. Buckley Professor of Biology Department of Natural Sciences University of Maine at Farmington Farmington, ME 04938=20 --=====================_18249018==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <br> <font size=3D4>The National Science Foundation is sponsoring three reg onal workshops on curriculum development, course implementation and grant-writing to support courses or course modules in environmental science. </font> <font size=3D3>The workshops offers a course mo el for science education that melds classroom instruction, field and laboratory techniques and cooperative learning, and addresses environmental problems in local communities. The model has been used successfully for undergraduate and graduate courses in biology, chemistry, geology, engineering and environmental science across the nation.</font><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D3> &nb p; The four day workshops are free to participants, but they or their institutions must provide for their travel. Currently all three workshops have available space and potential participants are encouraged to contact the following regional leaders for information about their workshop.<br> <br> </font><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D4>Dr. Dan Bu kley<br> Department of Natural Sciences<br> 173 High Street<br> University of Maine at Farmington<br> Farmington, ME 04938<br> Buckley@maine.edu<br> 207-778-7395<br> Fax:: 207-778-7365<br> <br> Workshop Dates: Mon, June 25 =96 Fri, June 29, 2001<br> <br> For further information on the UMF Workshop e-mail questions to the above address or visit the following URL<br> <br> </font><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D3><a= href=3D"http://violet.umf.maine.edu/~buckley/UMF%20brochure.htm"= eudora=3D"autourl">http://violet.umf.maine.edu/~buckley/UMF%20brochure.h m<= /a><br> <br> <br> </font><font size=3D4>Dr. Assad Panah <br> Professor and Director <br> Department of Geology and Environmental Science <br> University of Pittsburgh at Bradford <br> 300 Campus Drive <br> Bradford, PA 16701 <br> E-mail: aap@pitt.edu <br> Phone: 814-362-7569 <br> Fax: 814-362-5088 <br> <br> </font><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D4> Dates: Sat July 28 = =96 Wed, August 1, 2001<br> <br> <br> </font>For further information contact Dr. Panah by e-mail<br> <br> <br> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D4>Dr. Frank Romano<br> Department of Biology<br> Jacksonville State University<br> 700 Pelham Road North<br> Jacksonville, AL 36265-1602<br> Tel: 256-782-5038<br> Fax: 256-782-5587<br> E-mail: fromano@jsucc.jsu.edu<br> <br> Dates: Wed, August 8 =96 Sun, August 12, 2001<br> <br> </font>For further information contact Dr. Romano by e-mail<br> <br> <font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica" size=3D4> </font><font f ce=3D"Arial,= Helvetica" size=3D3> &nbs ;&= nbsp;   ; &nb sp; & nbsp;   ; &nb sp; & nbsp;   ; &nb sp; <br> </font><br> <div>Daniel E. Buckley</div> <div>Professor of Biology</div> <div>Department of Natural Sciences</div> <div>University of Maine at Farmington</div> Farmington, ME 04938 </html> --=====================_18249018==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:52:02 -0700 From: Phil Nott <pnott@BIRDPOP.ORG> Subject: Re: How many fishes are there? Hmmmm If any of the three estimates were to be taken seriously the salmon would be in big trouble - insufficient sample size, no control for diurnal behavior patterns, shall I go on? You might as well count pregnant chad in Florida you'd get the same variance in the estimates. -- ============================================= Philip Nott Research Scientist The Institute for Bird Populations P.O. Box 1346, Point Reyes Station CA 94956-1346 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:15:07 -0400 From: Fardad Firouznia <firouznia@DENISON.EDU> Subject: sapflow in pines This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6BC2DB209D8DD4F89A4E9CCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all. Has anybody used the dynamax TDP sap flow probes? Any recommendations? I'm looking for probes that work well in pines. Thanks for the help. -Fardad Firouznia --------------6BC2DB209D8DD4F89A4E9CCA Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="firouznia.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Fardad Firouznia Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="firouznia.vcf" begin:vcard n:Firouznia;Fardad tel;fax:(740) 587-6417 tel;work:(740) 587-6788 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Denison University;Department of Biology adr:;;;Granville;Ohio;43023; version:2.1 email;internet:firouznia@denison.edu title:Assistant Professor fn:Fardad Firouznia, Ph.D. end:vcard --------------6BC2DB209D8DD4F89A4E9CCA-- ------------------------------ Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 18 May 2001 to 19 May 2001 There are 3 messages totalling 416 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Fw: Job vacancy 2. Fw: [ee-internet] EE Job Seekers (or Friends of...) 3. Coastal Management Internet Awards ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:29:17 -0400 From: Karen Claxon <kclaxon@EARTHLINK.NET> Subject: Fw: Job vacancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tenner" <clare@vertic.demon.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Job vacancy ******************************************************************* > Dear Climate-L, > > Apologies for Cross-postings > > Please see below, advertisement for a new Environment Researcher for VERTIC. > Further information is available on VERTIC's website at > www.vertic.org/jobs/researcher > > Please distribute on your lists as appropriate. > > Clare Tenner > > > > > > RESEARCHER - VERIFICATION OF ENVIRONMENTAL AGREEMENTS > > Applications are invited for a researcher to conduct policy-relevant > research into the monitoring and verification of international environmental > agreements, notably the 1992 Climate Change Convention and its Kyoto > Protocol. You should have a higher degree in environmental or other physical > sciences or other relevant field, or equivalent experience. Demonstrated > interest in environmental politics, English proficiency and ability to write > for a generalist audience are essential. Salary range: =A318,000-24,000 > Closing date for applications: 8 June 2001. > > Send application letter addressing selection criteria with cv and 3 referee > nominations to: Verification Research, Training and Information Centre > (VERTIC), Baird House, 15/17 St. Cross Street, London EC1N 8UW. Tel. 020 > 7440 6960. Fax. 020 7242 3266. Email. administrator@vertic.org or see > www.vertic.org > > > > Telephone: + 44 (0)20 7440 6967 > Fax: +44 (0)20 7242 3266 > > www.vertic.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:30:10 -0400 From: Karen Claxon <kclaxon@EARTHLINK.NET> Subject: Fw: [ee-internet] EE Job Seekers (or Friends of...) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katharine N. Wang" The updated list below contains job opportunities posted on EE-Link (http://eelink.net) between 5/1/01 and 5/15/01. This list will be generated twice a month and reposted. The list represents only the newest job postings on EE-Link and summarizes position offered, hiring organization, location of job, and application deadline (if supplied). For detailed information and a complete listing, go to the EE-Link job posting page (jobs can be sorted by state or region to make searching easier): http://eelink.net/cgi-bin/ee-link/view_jobs.cgi Job Postings added to EE-Link since May 1, 2001 Education Program Director Aquatic Outreach Institute Richmond, CA Posted: 5-1-2001 Executive Director Tanglewood Nature Center Horsehead, NY Posted: 5-1-2001 Program Coordinator Frost Valley YMCA Clayville, NY Deadline: 7-1-2001 5th Grade Nature Teacher Greenwood School Mill Valley, CA Deadline: 6-8-2001 Mohican Workshops Manager Appalachian Mountain Club Boston, MA Deadline: 7-1-2001 Assistant Director Shaver's Creek Environmental Center University Park, PA Posted: 5-1-2001 Fall EE Internship Badlands National Park Interior, SD Deadline: 7-15-2001 Administrative Intern Gore Range Natural Science School Red Cliff, CO Posted: 5-5-2001 Fundraising & Marketing Coordinator Gore Range Natural Science School Red Cliff, CO Posted: 5-5-2001 Environmental/Outdoor Education Instructor Mountain Trail Outdoor School Hendersonville, NC Deadline: 8-1-2001 Teacher/Organic Gardener Crown Point Ecology Center Bath, OH Deadline: 6-15-2001 Public Programs & Special Events Director Kalamazoo Nature Center Kalamazoo, MI Posted: 5-7-2001 Co-Director, Nature's Way Preschool Kalamazoo Nature Center Kalamazoo, MI Deadline: 6-30-2001 Intern Naturalist Woodleaf Outdoor School Yuba City, CA Deadline: 7-30-2001 Information, Outreach, & Development Coordinator The Institute for Bird Populations Point Reyes Station, CA Posted: 5-8-2001 Program Director INFORM's Solid Waste Prevention Program New York, NY Posted: 5-8-2001 Coordinator (2) Student Environmental Action Coalition (SEAC) Philadelphia, PA Posted: 5-8-2001 Summer Internship in Urban Ecosystem Education Parks & People Foundation Baltimore, MD Posted: 5-8-2001 Project Regeneration Crew Supervisor Marin Conservation Corps San Rafael, CA Deadline: 5-25-2001 Assistant to the Director I UCLA LOSH, Labor, Occupational, Safety, & Health Program Los Angeles, CA Deadline: 5-25-2001 Program Manager Denison University Granville, OH Deadline: 6-15-2001 Economist National Marine Fisheries Service Southeast Fisheries Science Center Miami, FL Deadline: 5-18-2001 Student Affairs Manager The School for Field Studies Center for Rainforest Studies Queensland, Australia Deadline: 8-15-2001 Education Coordinator II Massachusetts Audubon Society Belmont, MA Posted: 5-10-2001 Education Coordinator Massachusetts Audubon Society Norfolk, MA Posted: 5-10-2001 Ecology Consultant Girl Scouts of Swift Water Council Manchester, NH Deadline: 6-10-2001 Mentor & Community Programs Manager John G. Shedd Aquarium Chicago, IL Deadline: 6-1-2001 AmeriCorps Member AmeriCorps - Cape Cod Barnstable, MA Deadline: 8-23-2001 Naturalist Intern / Summer Camp Counselor Marin County Outdoor School at Walker Creek Ranch Petaluma, CA Deadline: 6-1-2001 Naturalist Intern Marin County Outdoor School at Walker Creek Ranch Petaluma, CA Deadline: 6-1-2001 Garden Intern Marin County Outdoor School at Walker Creek Ranch Petaluma, CA Deadline: 6-1-2001 Interpretive Specialist California State Parks Jenner, CA Deadline: 5-17-2001 Consultant in Environment & Forest/Tourism Planning Commission New Delhi, India Posted: 5-15-2001 Director of Training Programs & Youth Civic Action Network Youth CAN, Youth Service America Washington, DC Posted: 5-15-2001 Extension Agent Virginia Cooperative Extension Blacksburg, VA Posted: 5-15-2001 Program Leader I Houston Independent School District's Outdoor Education Center Trinity, TX Posted: 5-15-2001 Exhibits Designer Missouri Department of Conservation Jefferson City, MO Deadline: 6-1-2001 Director of Science & Education Great Lakes Aquarium Minneapolis, MN Posted: 5-15-2001 Detailed information for each of these positions is posted at the EE-Link job posting page: http://eelink.net/cgi-bin/ee-link/view_jobs.cgi Visit http://eelink.net/ for your EE Needs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:49:50 -0700 From: Arlo Hanlin Hemphill <antisana@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Coastal Management Internet Awards The first ICOAST AWARDS 2001 It's time to RECOGNISE, APPLAUD and SALUTE YOUR PEERS. A special icoast calling for nominations for the world's first awards for achievement in coastal management internet sites. Have you ever visited a coastal website and thought 'those guys really do a good job, I wish I could give them something back'. Well now you can! Nominate them for an icoast award. Go to: http://www.coastalmanagement.com/nomination1.html The categories are: 1 Exceptional Government Coastal Management Website: recognises a government website which contributes open and accountable services to the people in the area of coastal management 2 Inspirational Community Coastal Management Website: recognises a community website that provides outstanding and inspirational services towards a community coastal management cause 3 Academic Leadership in Coastal Management Website: recognises leadership in promoting continuous improvement and delivery of education and research in Coastal Management. 4 Excellence in Integrated Coastal Management Website: recognises a website which contributes most significantly to the promotion of integrated coastal management 5 People's Choice '2001 Coastal Management Website of the Year Award'. An expert judging panel drawn from coastal managers from around the world will use the following judging criteria. Functionality and Design (20%): Accessibility, HTML Quality, Speed & Bandwidth, Sensitivity and Navigation, User Friendliness, Aesthetics & Beauty, Alignment & Layout Content (50%): Clearly defined website goals and message, Natural Human Interactivity, Well designed presentation of complex information, Use of plain english and attention to detail; Specific contribution to coastal management Originality (20%): Innovation; Creativity; Effective use of leading edge technologies; Distinctiveness; Vision Professionalism & Effectiveness (10%): Customer Service & Client Respect including ease of contact & responsiveness and management of requests & complaints from users Winners will not be showered with fame and glory (or money!). Instead winners will know that their work is both appreciated and judged as exceptional by their coastal management peers. Winners will also be able to sport an icoast awards logo on their website. Want to send in a nomination? Easy, just fill in the nomination form at: http://www.coastalmanagement.com/nomination1.html To learn more about the awards and our expert judges go to: http://www.coastalmanagement.com/awards2001/awards2001.html Nominations close on 30 June 2001 - so don't miss out. Remember, it's a chance to applaud our colleagues' efforts in the world of coastal management and the Internet. ===== FundaciĆn Jatun Sacha - Arlo Hanlin Hemphill Pasaje Eugenio Santillan N34-248 y Maurian UrbanizaciĆn Rumipamba, Casilla Postal #17-12-867 Quito, Ecuador Tel -(593/02) 432-240, 432-173, 432-246, 453-583 Home - 443-170 antisana@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 19 May 2001 to 20 May 2001 There are 2 messages totalling 52 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Lesser long-nosed bat 2. Instability of ordination programs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:17:57 -0700 From: Debbie Brewer <dabbrewer@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Lesser long-nosed bat Greetings all, Could anyone offer advice as to how I could find out the call frequency of the lesser long-nosed bat? Debbie A Brewer ASU Environmental Resources Wildlife/habitat management __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:29:29 +1200 From: Lynne SheldonSayer <Sheldol1@LINCOLN.AC.NZ> Subject: Instability of ordination programs. Hi I am a Masters Student looking at plant communities on an Island in New Zealand. My Supervisor suggested using Twinspan. However another person suggested that it is susceptible to extreme instability and suggested that i use Canoco. I have read the article by Oksananen and Minchin and visited the website mentioned in this article. I am now confused as to which would be the best way to analysis my data. I would appreciate any comments about these programs positive or negative. Thanks Lynne. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- --------------- Lynne Sheldon-Sayer BSc (Hons) MSc in progress Ecology and Entomology Group Lincoln University PO Box 84 Lincoln Canterbury New Zealand ------------------------------ Subject: ECOLOG-L Digest - 20 May 2001 to 21 May 2001 There are 7 messages totalling 440 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. 2001 Training Workshops 2. Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story (3) 3. Instability of ordination programs. 4. GIS & Remote Sensing for Wildlife Managers 5. Environmental Job Openings from EnviroNetwork ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 08:39:37 -0500 From: Holly Nelson <holly_nelson@USGS.GOV> Subject: 2001 Training Workshops 2001 TRAINING WORKSHOPS U.S. GEOLOGICAL SURVEY NATIONAL WETLAND RESEARCH CENTER & MID-CONTINENT MAPPING CENTER IN COOPERATION WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE 700 CAJUNDOME BLVD. LAFAYETTE, LA. 70506-3154 PHONE (337) 266-8699 TRAINING/WORKSHOP FACILITY IS THE NWRC-ANNEX CONTACT: pat_o'neil@usgs.gov WEBSITE: http://www.nwrc.usgs.go= v The U.S. Geological Survey of the Department of the Interior is present= ing a series of topical workshops pertaining to mapping, vegetation, photo-interpretation, remote sensing and Geographical Information Syste= ms. The workshops are part of an effort to exchange information and provide= access to spatial technologies developed at the center for natural reso= urce survey. The workshops are available to the general public educators, s= tate and federal agencies. Workshop participation by the international community is also greatly encouraged. Workshop participants are eligib= le to receive continuing education units (CEU's) for a fee of $10 in addit= ion to the standard registration expense. Most of the workshops are 3 days long, creating compact presentation of= materials. No previous experience in any of the topical workshop is assumed, except for advanced workshops. Appropriate handouts, photos, maps, and other forms of distributed materials are provided to the work= shop participants. Some workshops will have scheduled field exercises. Hands-on exercises are utilized to involve workshop participation. Specialized workshop topics and transient workshops can be arranged bas= ed upon consultation and number of workshop participants. Scheduled works= hops are subject to change. Please contact the workshop coordinator at the listed phone number for workshop information. February 6-8 Introduction to National Wetlands Classificati= on System March 13-15 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources April 24-26 Hydric Soils and Wetland Delineations May 12 WETMAAP (Wetland Education through Maps and Aerial Photography) June 13 Introduction to Geospatial Control Information for Natural Resources June 19-21 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources June 20-21 Introduction to the Identification of Wetland Forest Trees July 17-18 Metadata for Geospatial Data August 14-16 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources September 18-20 Introduction to GPS for Natural Resources October 24-26 Introduction to Wetland Remote Sensing and Map= ping October 29-31 Advanced Wetland Photo-Interpretation December 4-6 Introduction to Desktop GIS (ArcView) for Natu= ral Resources = ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:34:08 -0400 From: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> Subject: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post ran = a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so much = earlier this year on the listserver. Due to copyright laws, I cannot post the whole story here, but to read the = story online, go to: <<< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001May20. tml = >>> Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that = have been written in the past couple of months. -Alison ___________________ Alison Gillespie Public Affairs Officer Ecological Society of America 1707 H Street NW Suite 400 Washington, DC 20006 202-833-8773 ext 211 alison@esa.org fax: 202-833-8775=20 http://esa.sdsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 09:30:37 -0500 From: MICHAEL W PALMER <carex@OSUUNX.UCC.OKSTATE.EDU> Subject: Re: Instability of ordination programs. The 'instability' problem in Decorana (and hence early versions of Canoco) has been corrected in PC-ORD and Canoco. However, any sort of classification algorithm (like TWINSPAN) is very sensitive to the details of your data set. If you add or remove one intermediate sample, your results can change dramatically. Since classification of vegetation is inherently subjective and arbitrary, just use whichever results from whichever technique you find most useful and interpretable - but don't fall into the 'reification' trap of assuming that vegetation classes have any sort of objective reality. --Mike On Mon, 21 May 2001, Lynne SheldonSayer wrote: > Hi I am a Masters Student looking at plant communities on an > Island in New Zealand. My Supervisor suggested using Twinspan. > However another person suggested that it is susceptible to > extreme instability and suggested that i use Canoco. I have read > the article by Oksananen and Minchin and visited the website > mentioned in this article. I am now confused as to which would be > the best way to analysis my data. I would appreciate any > comments about these programs positive or negative. Thanks > Lynne. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- - > --------------- > Lynne Sheldon-Sayer BSc (Hons) MSc in progress > Ecology and Entomology Group > Lincoln University > PO Box 84 > Lincoln > Canterbury > New Zealand > ________________________________________ Michael W. Palmer Department of Botany 104 LSE Oklahoma State University Stillwater, OK 74078 USA carex@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu Office phone: 405-744-7717 FAX: 405-744-7074 ordination web page: www.okstate.edu/artsci/botany/ordinate ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:03:00 -0000 From: Peter Leimgruber <crcgis@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: GIS & Remote Sensing for Wildlife Managers <html><DIV>The Smithsonian Institution's Conservation & Rese rch Center is hosting an Introduction to the use of Geographic Information Systems & Remote Sensing in Conservation and Wildlife Management training course. Thi is a one-week course and is offered June 18-22.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Increasingly, Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and Remote Sen ing have become important tools for decision making and the applied management of natural resources. Many federal agencies and NGO's rely on GIS and satellit data for their work and are starting to produce their own spatial databases However, there are few training opportunities for wildlife managers to lear the application of GIS in everyday management situations. Our course will provide hands-on experience for the collection of data, GIS analysis of the data, and map making. </DIV> <P>This short course will provide wildlife managers with a working kno ledge about the application of Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and Remote Sensing to the monitoring and management of wildlife and forest vegetation. Exercises in establishing locations with a Global Positioning System (GPS), data input into a GIS, and spatial analysis techniques for GIS will provide hands-on and real world experience during the course. Based on examples abo t habitat selection in songbirds and white-tailed deer, course participants w ll learn how to: </P> <DIV></DIV>-Collect GIS data in the field using survey technique and GPS <DIV></DIV>-Differentially correct GPS data <DIV></DIV>-Input GPS data into GIS <DIV></DIV>-Input field data into GIS <DIV></DIV>-Use GIS for management of large data sets from multi le sources <DIV></DIV>-Design and perform analysis using GIS data and spati l analysis techniques. <DIV></DIV>-Integrate data with ancillary data, such as satellit imagery, aerial photography, and State Agency databases. <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV>Please see our web page for more information: http://www.si.edu/crc/tp/tp_gis/tp_gis.htm <DIV></DIV><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download f MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br> </p></html> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:00:30 -0400 From: EnviroNetwork@NATURALIST.COM Subject: Environmental Job Openings from EnviroNetwork Title: Summer Naturalist Company: Montecito Sequoia Location: Kings Canyon National Park, California For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3813 Title: Environmental Planner Company: Wilbur Smith Associates, Inc. Location: Columbia, South Carolina For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3812 Title: Environmental, Health & Safety Auditor Company: Parker Hannifin Location: Cleveland, Ohio For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3811 Title: Project Manager / PM-0521 Company: Vanasse, Hangen, Brustlin, Inc Location: Watertown, Massachusetts For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3810 Title: Director of Energy Services / DES 0521 Company: Vanasse, Hangen, Brustlin, Inc Location: Watertown, Massachusetts For more information click below: http://www.naturalist.com/eco-jobs/index.cfm?temp=job&job=3809 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:20:48 -0700 From: "Bob Parcelles,Jr." <rjparcelles@YAHOO.COM> Subject: Re: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story --- Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> wrote: I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post ran = a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so much = earlier this year on the listserver. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001May20.html Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that have been written in the past couple of months. -Alison ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ---------------Allison and all, This 'rebutttal" is old news by a very inexperienced reporter. All of his myths have been debunked. Any one involved in science can surely see the trend in this administation to short -fund and otherwise make it difficult for scientists who work in the environmental fields. The Cheney White House (you better believe it ) talks about getting the facts and "making decisions based on science". But the scientists used are usually on the big business payroll. Government scientists and consultants (I am one) are givern narrow parameters. We need basic as well as apllied science and applied science must seek the truth no matter what its bias. Bob Parcelles, Jr. RJP Associates Pinellas Park, FL TRY THESE LINKS FOR THE REST OF THE STORY... http://www.peer.org or this one for large graphics and maps: http://www.peer.org/anwr ===== Bob Parcelles, Jr Pinellas Park, FL RJP Associates <rjpassociates@yahoo.com> rjparcelles@yahoo.com http://rainforest.care2.com/welcome?w=976131876 "Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life." Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:09:32 -0400 From: Chris Rosamond <kiwdafish@HOTMAIL.COM> Subject: Re: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story So the spin from both sides begins... As one who lost his job while blowing the whistle on a major water quality fraud which was perpetrated by a "respectable" consulting firm, I am all too familiar with the slander tactics which both news media and the "respectable bosses" dealing with "unruly employees" are willing to toss about. Nonetheless, I have no Idea what really happened to Ian. None of us on the outside of this story will know exactly what happened to Ian Thomas, nor who made the termination decisions, nor why. Ian made a decision which cost him his livelihood. His supervisors likewise made decisions which will affect international opinion, and ANWR. Is there a bad guy? Or just a mishmash of different people doing what they consider to be the right thing? And, finally, what does Ian's shaving ability have to do with impartial press coverage? Chris Rosamond, Aquatic Biologist and sometime whistleblower/untalented shaver. >From: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> >Reply-To: Alison Gillespie <Alison@ESA.ORG> >To: ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU >Subject: Martryed Mapmaker Myth: Washington Post Story >Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:34:08 -0400 > >I thought that some of you might like to know that the Washington Post r n >= >a front page story today on Ian Thomas, the USGS mapmaker we heard so mu h >= >earlier this year on the listserver. > >Due to copyright laws, I cannot post the whole story here, but to read t e >= >story online, go to: > > ><<< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53125-2001Ma 20.html = > >>> > >Interesting reading... it fleshes out more of the story that those that >have been written in the past couple of months. > >-Alison > > > >___________________ > >Alison Gillespie >Public Affairs Officer >Ecological Society of America >1707 H Street NW >Suite 400 >Washington, DC 20006 >202-833-8773 ext 211 >alison@esa.org >fax: 202-833-8775=20 >http://esa.sdsc.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of ECOLOG-L Digest - 20 May 2001 to 21 May 2001 *************************************************** ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙
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