ECOLOG-L Digest - 22 Feb 2001 to 23 Feb 2001 ECOLOG-L Digest - 22 Feb 2001 to 23 Feb 2001
  1. ECOLOG-L Digest - 22 Feb 2001 to 23 Feb 2001
  2. 7th World Wilderness Congress
  3. Statistical Question-The End?
  4. soil moisture probe
  5. Re: Global appetite for farmed fish devouring world's wild fish
  6. Re: Habitat selection/preference
  7. Re: habitat selection--more terms for?
  8. Habitat preference/selection: lichen example
  9. Re: humpty dumpty and restoration
  10. ect: humpty dumpty and restoration
  11. Science Outlook & Actions
  12. Re: Humpty Dumpty - Why Preservation versus Restoration?
  13. Aquatics Program Director (Associate to Full Professor level),
  14. PERMANENT GS-7 fire effects position opens today
  15. Field Assistant needed for cutthroat trout project
  16. Job Posting
  17. reposting of message from ESA office about science funding (fixed
  18. Re: habitat selection
  19. Fwd: Re: student inquiry
  20. Re: habitat selection
  21. GS-7 fire effects position (PERMANENT) opens today
  22. Conservation IT Position
  23. Workshop announcement
  24. ECOLOG-L Digest - 23 Feb 2001 to 24 Feb 2001
  25. Re: soil moisture probe
  26. Database job at Glacier National Park
  27. calculating transition probabilities
  28. Archive files of this month.
  29. RUPANTAR - a simple e-mail-to-html converter.


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Topics of the day:

  1. 7th World Wilderness Congress
  2. Statistical Question-The End?
  3. soil moisture probe
  4. Global appetite for farmed fish devouring world's wild fish supplies
  5. Habitat selection/preference
  6. habitat selection--more terms for?
  7. Habitat preference/selection: lichen example
  8. humpty dumpty and restoration
  9. Science Outlook & Actions
 10. Humpty Dumpty - Why Preservation versus Restoration?
 11. Aquatics Program Director (Associate to Full Professor level),
     Tenure-Track
 12. PERMANENT GS-7 fire effects position opens today
 13. Field Assistant needed for cutthroat trout project
 14. Job Posting
 15. reposting of message from ESA office about science funding (fixed forma

     problems)
 16. habitat selection (2)
 17. Fwd: Re: student inquiry
 18. GS-7 fire effects position (PERMANENT) opens today
 19. Conservation IT Position
 20. Workshop announcement

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:21:24 -0500
From:    "David W. Inouye" <di5@umail.umd.edu>
Subject: 7th World Wilderness Congress

Greetings from the Leopold Institute!  You are invited to take part in the
7th World Wilderness Congress, which will convene on the Eastern Cape of
South Africa in early November 2001.  Attached are three different
formatted versions of our Call for Participation (hopefully, at least one
of these formats will work for you.)  This year's Congress will offer an
excellent educational program, as well as "an extensive cultural program of
contemporary and traditional music and art, an international environmental
film competition, outdoor events under the African skies, and ample
opportunities (during pre- and post- Congress trips) to visit African
wildlands, communities, national parks, wilderness areas, and private
reserves."  We are excited to once again be a part of this globally
important event and hope that you will be able to join us!  Please feel
free to pass this on to any friends or colleagues, who might be interested
in attending.  For more general WWC7 information check out their website at
www.worldwilderness.org. We look forward to hearing from you!  Janet
Sproull

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:13:49 EST
From:    {Charles Singletary} <Darwinboy01@AOL.COM>
Subject: Statistical Question-The End?

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while understood this point, even if we can't all agree on the proper term. 

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thank everyone who did offer advice. I had originally intended to defend
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compelling points have already been made. My opinion would simply be that, m

opinion. I hate to see a debate end, especially without resolve, but this
seems to be a topic with no real end in site. I do look forward to any
continuing debate on this topic, or any other that may arise.


    Thank You,

    Chip Singletary

    Dept. of Biology

    Western Carolina University

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Date:    Thu, 22 Feb 2001 20:35:37 -0800
From:    Julian Meisler <jmeisler@PON.NET>
Subject: soil moisture probe

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Department of Biology
Sonoma State University

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Date:    Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:42:19 -0800
From:    Wayne Tyson <landrest@UTM.NET>
Subject: Re: Global appetite for farmed fish devouring world's wild fish
         supplies

NOTE:  This is a serious question, not a prank.  It is couched in stark
terms for clarity of contrast and brevity.  It is what is called a zag-zig
question.  This method of thinking is ancient, and has been used widely in
science, but is perhaps out of favor in ecology at the current time.  I
offer this example in the hopes that it will find some (certainly not
universal) favor among ecologists.  Of course it is intended only as one
example of the general direction that could be taken to be considered for
thoughtful consideration and study.  Any levity is purely
coincidental.  Please--no personal emails.

Honorable Forum and Karen:

What would happen if we fed them "mad cows" instead?  (I'm tempted to add
"mad scientists" but I shall forego such levity (?) in the interest of
minimizing further threats to my person.)  What was that about who's on the
top of the food chain again?  But are cow bodies and human bodies fit food
for fish and fish welfare?  What's more repugnant, the collapse of ocean
ecosystems or the preservation of the land-burial industry?

Respectfully submitted,
Wayne (zag-zig) Tyson



At 08:37 AM 02/22/2001 -0500, Karen Claxon wrote:
>18 FEBRUARY 2001 AT 18:00 ET US
>Contact: Nancy Baron
>tojohnson@seaweb.org
>202-437-5502
>
>Valerie Holford
>888-429-4988 pager
>
>SeaWeb
>
>Global appetite for farmed fish devouring world's wild fish supplies

[clip]

>  "...major sectors of the booming aquaculture industry are literally
> feeding on world fisheries."

[clip]

>Production of a single pound of fish-eating species such as shrimp,
>salmon, tuna or cod demands 2 to 5 lbs. of wild caught fish that is
>processed into meal and oil for feeds.
>
>Pauly previously discovered a global pattern of fishing down the food
>chain, putting more pressure on lower level species as we exhaust the
>bigger carnivorous fish. (Pauly et al. Feb.6,1998, Science)

[clip]

>  Even in Asia, the ancient home of aquaculture, vegetarian fish
>like tilapia and carp are now being fed fishmeal and fish oil for faster
>weight gain and marketability. "The new trend in aquaculture is to drain
>the seas to feed the farms. Meanwhile capture fisheries now focus on
>what we once considered bait. These two trends- farming up and fishing
>down the food web imply massive impacts on marine ecosystems that are
>clearly unsustainable," says Pauly.
>
>At the AAAS meetings in San Francisco, a panel of seven international
>scientists are presenting data showing that aquaculture is necessary to
>the world's future food security, but warn that the growing demands of
>the world's food production systems upon a finite quantity of resources
>means that all aquatic and terrestrial farming systems must become more
>efficient.

[clip]

>states Stanford economist Dr. Roz
>Naylor who chairs today's session at AAAS. "It is high time both public
>and private interests think of these sectors jointly. Without sound
>ecological practices, the expanding aquaculture industry poses a threat
>not only to ocean fisheries, but also to itself."
>
>
>###
>
>  http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/sw-gaf021601.html

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Date:    Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:50:50 -0800
From:    Wayne Tyson <landrest@UTM.NET>
Subject: Re: Habitat selection/preference

Note:  Some individuals may not want to read this post.  See note at end of
message.

Honorable Forum:

DiBari's response is a welcome one, clear and specific.  I do not intend to
imply anything about DiBari's response in the following.  It seems sensible
to me as far as it goes, and I suspect that DiBari's ideas may go much
farther, but he is wisely choosing to keep his remarks simple and limited
to a minimal number of points.

Forgive me, but I do not think much in terms of individuals but of species
and populations.  Perhaps that is the source of my confusion.  I try hard
to think in terms of organisms, and to search for principles that may be
more reasonable than unreasonable, across individual, even species
lines.  This does not mean that I wish to ignore subsets or to find
inferences and evidence in the case of individuals.

In Antarctica, there are, I understand, algae that live inside
rocks.  Pretty rough habitat.  Pretty limiting.  A little too close to the
surface, no suitable habitat.  A little too deep in the rock, no suitable
habitat.  These organisms certainly "prefer" that very thin layer, and
certainly they "select" that habitat.  As DiBari points out with admirable
simplicity, to do otherwise is not an option.  (Perhaps there is an expert
in this organism (or group of organisms) out there that can illuminate this
better than I.)

Then there are organisms that have broader tolerance limits for habitat,
but still are "confined" to their genetically-determined
limitations.  Yes.  Individuals do screw up and die.  But populations
define habitats and habitats define populations as part of a dynamic
process of resolution and interaction--Yes?  No?

Respectfully submitted,
WT

NOTE: Please delete this message if you consider my posts offensive, but
please do not send me threatening, intimidating, or "flaming" off-forum
emails impugning my cultural sensitivity or political correctness.  Unless
I gravely misunderstand, this Forum is a gathering of disparate individuals
with disparate ideas.  I apologize to all those whom I have offended by my
style, particularly those of cultures other than mine.  Those who are
offended by the substance of my remarks should complain to the moderator.
At 01:35 PM 02/22/2001 -0900, John DiBari wrote:
>Dear habitat preference/selection gang:
>
>  From my perspective habitat selection is either one or a combination o

>learned or instinctual response(s) to environmental cues.  If the
>environment contains the presence and/or absence of proper cues required
>for an individual to survive, then that area (i.e., habitat) will be
>selected.  Preference is an interesting concept.  Certainly it is a
>judgement we as humans seem to be able to make -- though this may be a
>luxury.  I assume it is one that other organisms are able to make too
>though the conditions required for it to occur may be extenuating.
>
>The problem with assigning a degree of preference to selected habitat is
>that the condition of the environment (at numerous scales), and the
>condition of the individual doing the selecting, vary.  If an individual
is
>present in an area, by definition that area is some kind of habitat (e.g
,
>it may be breeding habitat, feeding habitat, resting habitat, dispersal
>habitat, etc.)  However, environmental or individual conditions may be
>stressed to the point that the individual is responding to the presence 
r
>absence of only one (or a small number of) environmental cue(s).  In thi

>light, habitat preference is reduced to the lowest common denominator --
>selection.  Selection equals the minimum set of cues necessary to elicit
a
>response of choice.  To make any other choice would mean death.
>
>Yaron raised the idea of Ideal Free Distribution (IFD, Fretwell and Luca

>1969).  Distribution is ideal because the individual selects habitat tha

>will "best" meet its needs.  It is free if there are no impediments (i.e
,
>density dependent factors) to settling in or using that area.
>
>The idea behind IFD is that the highest quality habitat is selected by
>individuals until it assumes the characteristics of the next lowest qual
ty
>habitat, then the second best quality habitat is selected until it assum
s
>the characteristics of the next lowest quality habitat, and so on.  This
>habitat "degradation" is the result of increasing intraspecific
>density.  Ultimately, all habitats are of equal quality.  While this is 

>worthy idea, I think it is more an academic explanation than a practical
>explanation.
>
>If IFD were carried to its logical conclusion, there would be no such th
ng
>as preferred or highest quality habitat.  That is, individuals would red
ce
>all habitat to the same quality -- relatively speaking the lowest
>quality.  Thus, preference as it has been discussed would be moot.
>
>Rather my view is that when an organism encounters an environment with t
e
>proper cues, that area (i.e., habitat) is selected -- regardless of
>quality.  To do otherwise would be suicide.  As prior knowledge does not
>exist, and searching uses valuable energy and increases vulnerability,
>there is a potentially fatal cost of passing up low quality habitat in t
e
>"hope" of finding something better.  Some individuals are just luckier t
an
>others are.  Some find the "best" habitat and some find the
>"worst."  Regardless, I would say that all individuals choose the "best"
>available habitat.
>
>When conditions in the lowest quality habitat become poor enough (e.g.,
>settling cues disappear) certain individuals will leave.  Some of them w
ll
>be lucky and find unoccupied habitat, some maybe lucky enough to find
>unoccupied habitat of higher quality, some may die.  I think that if we
>could ask individuals if they would "prefer" the best habitat they would
>say yes, provided they have knowledge of what that means.  However, as a
>matter of practicality they will probably take whatever they can get.
>
>  From a conservation perspective, we humans should endeavor to identify

>then protect as much of the "best" quality habitat possible.  This habit
t
>ensures a large enough population that all available habitat (regardless
of
>quality) is occupied.
>
>However, identifying the "best" quality habitat is another point for
>discussion.
>
>PS:  Hi Yaron.  This is John (Mangiameli) from Arizona.  As you can see,
my
>name has changed.
>
>*******************************************************
>John DiBari
>Instructor & GIS Lab Manager
>Alaska Pacific University
>4101 University Drive
>Anchorage, AK 99508
>
>Phone:      907.564.8309 (office)
>         907.564.8352 (lab)
>Email:    johnd@alaskapacific.edu

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 07:30:37 -0800
From:    Timothy Brook Smith <timsmith@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Re: habitat selection--more terms for?

Hi Dave.

I guess there do seem to be some issues here worth discussing.  I am along f
r
the ride until the very last gasp.

Thanks first to an "off-list" commentator for pointing out that preference f
r
one habitat or diet item is always relative, and can only be measured in
relationship to something else (he didn't much like these terms either).

I suppose all terminology goes through a process of natural selection just a

anything else does.  For what it is worth, I have no problem with the word
"affinity" as long as it is defined.  What will ultimately matter will be th

way "affinity" or "preference" hypotheses are tested and quantified.

A few things seem worth discussing along those lines.  It seems to me (and t
is
is what provoked my original comment) that field observations can show the r
nge

of potential habitats or diets used by an organism (selection, or choice).
However, field data will always have difficulties PREDICTING the way
physiological cues and the environment will interact to produce a behavior.
This will require an experimental setting of some type where the effect of
differing varibles can be isolted and treatments and controls are possible.
Obviously this becomes more difficult with larger terrestrial animals like
raptors, but most of the animals I study are relatively small and can be
confined in enclosures at natural densities.  This demonstrates the obvious 
eed

for all of us to study small animals, especially in aquatic systems (no, wai
,
first let me get a hard-money position, THEN you can all become aquatic
ecologists). ;)

The point is well taken that differing needs will require trade-offs and wil
 be

stage-structured...varying through the development of the animal.  Predation
threats balance against energetic profitability against access to mates agai
st
physiological tolerances.  All of the caveats that apply to optimality theor
es
also apply here.  There is no best of all possible worlds (to borrow again f
om
Voltaire's Panglossian Paradigm).

What does seem to exist, however, are heritable
preferences/affinities/whatever-you-call-thems that derive from the genes of
the

organism.  As long as those can be repeatedly demonstrated, they seem to pro
ide

a handle for making predictions (as all applied ecologists eventually must)
about the outcomes of events in communities.  Certainly the process is compl
x,
and requires humility, but I don't think we can responsibly give up on tryin
 to

understand how communities work.

Best of luck with your paper,

Tim



> While I understand the use of the term "habitat selection" that has bee

> expounded
> here, I have never much liked the term, as it seems to me to impute mor

> of an
> intentional act by the organism than may often be the case. If I am a
> forest eagle
> clinging to a traditional nest site, and hunting in the surrounding,
> increasingly
> deforested landscape--likely suboptimal, but the best I can make of a
> bad deal--am I
> selecting this habitat? Or merely using it? Am I not demonstrating a
> habitat
> association? (be it a preferred one or not). I suppose "affinity" sound

> to much
> like preference?
>
> thanks for any thoughts, and I'll be content to let this horse die soon

>
> Dave Whitacre
>
>
>
> --
> David F. Whitacre
>
> The Peregrine Fund
> 566 W. Flying Hawk Lane
> Boise, Idaho  83709
> (208) 362-3716
> dwhitacre@peregrinefund.org
>

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:57:39 -0500
From:    Daniel Brumbaugh <brumba@AMNH.ORG>
Subject: Habitat preference/selection: lichen example

Wayne and others,

I'm also tired of this preference vs selection thread but I just want
to briefly add my comment: the theoretical point (dating back at
least to Fretwell as has been discussed) is it's all relative, and
the relativity changes fluidly depending on the ecological
circumstances.

Your endolithic lichen is an excellent example.  Even a "organism"
(including this mutualism) with a very narrow, ultimately genetic,
habitat recognition and tolerance range may have, within this range,
more "preferred" (e.g., the center of the narrow zone) and less
"preferred" subranges (further outward or inward).  ALL ELSE BEING
EQUAL (and this would most easily be documented experimentally), the
lichen prefers the center.  If this is already occupied by
competitors (and let's ignore the semantic complications of any
clonal self-competition), however, available space in the center of
the tolerable range and therefore the habitat utility may decline
until a "selection" of the less "preferred" areas would be just as
good.

Although it's easier to understand this conceptual approach with the
lichen because of the relative simplicity of its habitat dimensions,
the same concepts apply to other organisms.  The idea and measurement
of "preference" gets harder and harder in principle and practice
though because of the potential for interactions among habitat
factors as one increases the number under consideration.  Still, it's
been a useful, generalizable, conceptual distinction within ecology.

Cheers,
Dan Brumbaugh
American Museum of Natural History/Biodiversity

>In Antarctica, there are, I understand, algae that live inside
>rocks.  Pretty rough habitat.  Pretty limiting.  A little too close to t
e
>surface, no suitable habitat.  A little too deep in the rock, no suitabl

>habitat.  These organisms certainly "prefer" that very thin layer, and
>certainly they "select" that habitat.  As DiBari points out with admirab
e
>simplicity, to do otherwise is not an option.  (Perhaps there is an expe
t
>in this organism (or group of organisms) out there that can illuminate t
is
>better than I.)
>
>Then there are organisms that have broader tolerance limits for habitat,
>but still are "confined" to their genetically-determined
>limitations.  Yes.  Individuals do screw up and die.  But populations
>define habitats and habitats define populations as part of a dynamic
>process of resolution and interaction--Yes?  No?

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:02:11 -0700
From:    Don Falk <dafalk@U.ARIZONA.EDU>
Subject: Re: humpty dumpty and restoration

The comparison is cute but quite irrelevant. Ecological communities fall
(are pushed, etc.) apart all the time by disturbance, climate change,
invasions, local extirpations, etc. Not coincidentally they also possess
myriad pathways for reassembling themselves (the attribute that Humpty
Dumpty so tragically lacked), even with the local absence of a species that
was formerly present. Do they reassemble themselves into exactly their
pre-disturbance configuration? Of course not -- but then, that would also
be a naive view of restoration ecology, which also stresses structural and
functional attributes. This is why the field of disturbance ecology is so
profoundly relevant to restoration ecology. On even longer time frames one
might also look to vegetation responses to (and disequilibrium with)
climate change, as well as evolution for real models of restoration.

Don Falk
Department of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology
and Society for Ecological Restoration
University of Arizona

Date:         Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:13:54 -0600
>Reply-To: Charles Bomar <bomarc@UWSTOUT.EDU>
>Sender: "Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news"
><ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU>
>From: Charles Bomar <bomarc@UWSTOUT.EDU>
>Subject:      humpty dumpty and restoration
>To: ECOLOG-L@UMDD.UMD.EDU
>
>A friend of mine recently made a comment about the concept of restoratio

>ecology, comparing it to humpty dumpty, where "even if we have all of th

>parts, it is difficult if not impossible to reassemble it properly"  he 
ad
>pulled that comment from a reading that he had done, but did not remembe

>the particular reference.  Is any one else familiar with this phrase, or
>know of the particular reference that it came from??
>
>crb
>
>***********************************************************************
>Charles R. Bomar
>Associate Professor of Biology
>University of Wisconsin-Stout
>Menomonie, WI 54751
>(715)232-2562
>(715)232-2192 FAX
>bomarc@uwstout.edu
>http://biology.uwstout.edu/bomar/bomar.htm
>********************************************************************
>..

-------------------------------------------------------
Don Falk
Laboratory of Tree Ring Research and Department of Ecology & Evolutionary
Biology
University of Arizona
Tucson, AZ 85721
Ofc: 520-626-7201
Fax:     621-9190 or -8229

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:52:13 -0500
From:    Nadine Lymn <NADINE@ESA.ORG>
Subject: Science Outlook & Actions

Ecologers,

As many of you know, there are indications that the new Administration =
will propose a budget that may mean cuts to science, particularly for the =
National Science Foundation and the U.S. Geological Survey.  A recent Wall =
Street Journal article provided numbers--without attribution--that the NSF =
would receive a below inflation budget while the USGS would go down by 22 =
percent. =20

Bush is slated to reveal the broad outlines of his budget on Feb. 28 when =
the situation will become somewhat clearer.  The "budget blueprint" which =
will provide much more detail, is not due out until April 3.  During the =
intervening period, the numbers for various programs will be fleshed =
out--they appear to be a long way from being firmed up.  However, it =
appears likely that Congress will play a large role in bolstering =
potentially weak numbers for the above agencies. =20

ESA members interested in playing an active role during the budget season =
(which runs from the unveiling of the President's budget to the start of =
the new fiscal year, October 1) can take several steps, including writing =
editorials for local newspapers (please see tips below) and working with =
their congressional representatives both in writing and in personal =
meetings.  To find out how, please visit ESA's online Policy Page =
(http://esa.sdsc.edu/sciencepolicy.htm).  The site offers pointers for =
scientists, including tips on communicating with congress (http://esa.sdsc.=
edu/comcongress.htm) and an information sheet on how the federal budget =
process works (http://esa.sdsc.edu/budgetprocess.pdf).

In addition, if you are interested in following national science and =
environmental legislation, we encourage you to subscribe to ESA's free =
biweekly Science & Environmental Policy Updates.   To find out how to =
subscribe, visit http://esa.sdsc.edu/subsepu.htm. =20

We also encourage you to consider participating in Congressional Visits =
Day, which ESA co-sponsors and which this year will be held May 1 and 2.  =
The event brings together a wide range of scientific and engineering =
disciplines and a host of technical industries to convey to Members of =
Congress the core message that balanced federal investment in research and =
development is essential and that R&D partnerships between government, =
industry, and universities play a critical role in our nation's prosperity.=
  For more information, visit the website: www.agiweb.org/cvd.  If you =
would like to participate, please contact ESA's Public Affairs Office =
(nadine@esa.org; 202.833.8773, ext. 205)

Tips on writing your Letter-to-the-Editor:

        =B7    Put your main point on top
=B7    Tell readers why they should care--appeals to self-interest are =
usually most effective
=B7    Make a single point and make it well--don't try to cover too much
=B7    Offer specific recommendations--give your opinion on how to =
improve matters
=B7    Use an example if possible, one specific to your region is ideal
=B7    Avoid jargon
=B7    Use short sentences and declarative sentences
=B7    Use the active voice
=B7    Make your ending a winner

Each newspaper has different submission guidelines which you can often =
look up online.  Generally, letters should be about 250 words or less.  =
You may mail, fax, or email your letter, but must include your full name =
(no initials), home address and daytime and evening telephone numbers for =
verification.  Only your name and city of residence are published.  =
Letters may be edited for publication and become the property of the =
newspaper.  If your letter is selected for publication, you will likely be =
called for verification.  Submit one letter at a time, since most =
newspapers want exclusive rights to letters.

Best Regards,


Nadine Lymn
Director of Public Affairs

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:16:20 EST
From:    Aneyww@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Humpty Dumpty - Why Preservation versus Restoration?

In a message dated 22-Feb-2001 11:00:10 Pacific Standard Time,
asalufa@YAHOO.COM writes:

<< I don't
 think anybody was implying that we should only do
 preservation OR restoration- rather we were discussing
 the advantages and disadvantages of both. >>

Possibly the reason behind this discussion/debate is a perception that
preservation is somehow nobler than restoration; that once we create a
preserve we've met our goal and do not need to get involved in the
grunge-work of restoration.  This perception may come from those of us
involved primarily in restoration as our unfair view of those involved
primarily in preservation.  Perhaps it even harkens back to the bad old days
conflicts between preservationists and conservationists.

Warren

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:23:50 -0600
From:    "Caitlin R. Gabor" <gabor@SWT.EDU>
Subject: Aquatics Program Director (Associate to Full Professor level),
         Tenure-Track

COLLEGE OF SCIENCE


 DEPARTMENT OF BIOLOGY


 POSITION: Aquatic Program Director (Associate to Full Professor level),
Tenure-Track


 JOB POSTING #:        2001-181


 REVIEW DATE:          March 15, 2001


 APPOINTMENT DATE:    Fall, 2001


 _________________________________________________________

 Responsibilities



 The Department of Biology invites applications for a Director (Associate or
 Full Professor level) to administer and enhance the freshwater Aquatic
Resources
 Program within the Department of Biology.  Specific duties are to a) forge
 links between the Aquatic Biology Program at SWT and local, regional,
state, and
 national agencies involved in the management, development, and conservation
 of  aquatic resources; b) facilitate and enhance the research activities
of the
 Aquatic Program by securing funding via contracts with the above agencies
 for  research on water related issues; c) develop and implement short-term
and
 long-term program innovations to enhance the current program and propel it
 to a national-international level of prominence; d) coordinate course
offerings
 for undergraduate and graduate students; and, e) coordinate application
for doctoral
 degree in Aquatic Resources.  The Department is looking for an individual
 with a  demonstrated track record in research grantsmanship and
administration.

 Qualification Standards


 Ph.D. in some aspect of aquatic biology or water resources is required.

 Application Procedures


 Applicants should submit a curriculum vitae, copies of up to five
publications,  statements of research and administrative philosophies, and
a list of three references including telephone numbers and e-mail addresses
to:

 Francis L. Rose, Chair (Aquatic Director)


 Department of Biology


 Southwest Texas State University


 601 University Drive


 San Marcos, TX 78666

********************************************
Caitlin R. Gabor
Assistant Professor
Southwest Texas State University
Department of Biology
San Marcos, TX 78666-4615
Work: (512) 245-3387; Fax: (512) 245-8713
E-mail: gabor@swt.edu

http://www.bio.swt.edu/gabor/gabor.htm

*********************************************

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 09:58:11 +0000
From:    Peggy Herzog <peggyh@BIGVALLEY.NET>
Subject: PERMANENT GS-7 fire effects position opens today

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Please forward to potential applicants:

An announcement opened today, Friday Feb 23 (both all-sources and
government-wide) for the Golden Gate National Recreation Area (GGNRA) fire
effects monitoring lead position.  This is a PERMANENT GS-7 position, with
responsibilities to lead 2-4 crewmembers in field activities and prescribed
fire monitoring duties. The position is located at GGNRA, but the work
involves travel to Point Reyes National Seashore, Pinnacles National
Monument, Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area and possibly
Channel Islands National Park.

For "all-sources" (non-federal emplyees) see:
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR7154.HTM

For "government-wide" (federal employees) see:
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR7168.HTM


If you have any questions, please call Peggy Herzog at (415) 663-8160.

Thanks!

Peggy Herzog
Fire Ecologist
Point Reyes National Seashore


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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:26:24 -0700
From:    "Helen M. Neville" <hneville@UNR.NEVADA.EDU>
Subject: Field Assistant needed for cutthroat trout project

2 Field Assistants needed to help with field sampling for a genetics study
of Lahontan cutthroat trout.  Field site is in the Jarbidge mountains, NE
Nevada.  July through mid-August.  Work is strenuous, requiring a good deal
of hiking and backpacking carrying heavy equipment (electrofishers).
Sampling entails setting up block nets on streams, performing 3-pass
electrofishing of sites, and taking various measurements and small fin
clips from fish.  Ten streams will be sampled at multiple sites in upper
and lower reaches.  Higher elevation field sites are in a Wilderness Area,
lower sites are on BLM land and impacted by cattle. Climate is dry, HOT
during the day, and cold at night.  We will be camping (access by truck)
most of the time, with one or two back-pack trips to upper sites.
Experience with fish not required but preferred.  Vehicles and field
equipment supplied, but need own camping equipment.  Pay:  $900-1100/month,
depending on experience.  If interested, please send cover letter and
resume with 3 references by March 30th.  Sending electronic letters/resumes
is fine as long as they don't come with viruses!

Helen Neville, Ph.D. candidate
Ecology, Evolution and Conservation Biology
University of Nevada
Reno, NV 89557
775-784-6475
hneville@scs.unr.edu




Helen M. Neville
Ecology, Evolution and Conservation Biology
Department of Biology/314
University of Nevada
Reno, NV 89557

email: hneville@unr.nevada.edu
office phone: 775-784-6475
lab phone:  775-784-1630
Fax: 775-784-1369

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:33:35 -0500
From:    Porsche Klemm <pklemm@GLUE.UMD.EDU>
Subject: Job Posting

Title:  Assistant Research Scientist, Research Associate, or Faculty
Research Assistant (REF. RESAC/3)

Category:  Full time (12 months)

Responsibilities: Assistant Research Scientist, Research Associate or
Faculty Research Assistant with the University of Maryland Regional
Earth Science Applications Center and Smithsonian Environmental Research
Center. Appointee will join a UMD Geography/Smithsonian Environmental
Research Center team using remotely sensed data to model vegetation and
land surface processes in the Mid-Atlantic region of USA with special
interest in modeling land cover impacts on nutrient and sediment
discharges from natural and human-altered landscapes. For background
information see:  http://www.geog.umd.edu/landcover/resac/

Qualifications: MA/MS required for Faculty Research Assistant.   Ph.D.
required for Research Associate or Assistant Research Scientist. Strong
background in one or more of the following: hydrology, biogeochemistry,
watershed modeling, vegetation processes, or landscape ecology.
Technical skills in modeling, analysis of satellite data, or
geographical information systems essential.


Salary: Commensurate with experience.
Initial appointment 1yr, continuation dependent on performance and
availability of grant income.

Position Available: For best consideration send application letter,
resume, and names of three references by March 2, 2001 to:

Ms. Porsche I. Klemm
Department of Geography
RESAC Liaison
2181 LeFrak Hall
University of Maryland
College Park, MD  20742-8225

Fax:  (301) 314-9299


The University of Maryland is an Equal Employment
Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:38:26 -0500
From:    "David W. Inouye" <di5@umail.umd.edu>
Subject: reposting of message from ESA office about science funding (fixed
         format problems)

Reposting--sorry for the duplication, but this version should be easier to=
=20
read.

Ecologers,

As many of you know, there are indications that the new Administration will=
=20
propose a budget that may mean cuts to science, particularly for the=20
National Science Foundation and the U.S. Geological Survey.  A recent Wall=
=20
Street Journal article provided numbers--without attribution--that the NSF=
=20
would receive a below inflation budget while the USGS would go down by 22=20
percent.

Bush is slated to reveal the broad outlines of his budget on Feb. 28 when=20
the situation will become somewhat clearer.  The "budget blueprint" which=20
will provide much more detail, is not due out until April 3.  During the=20
intervening period, the numbers for various programs will be fleshed=20
out--they appear to be a long way from being firmed up.  However, it=20
appears likely that Congress will play a large role in bolstering=20
potentially weak numbers for the above agencies.

ESA members interested in playing an active role during the budget season=20
(which runs from the unveiling of the President's budget to the start of=20
the new fiscal year, October 1) can take several steps, including writing=20
editorials for local newspapers (please see tips below) and working with=20
their congressional representatives both in writing and in personal=20
meetings.  To find out how, please visit ESA's online Policy Page=20
(http://esa.sdsc.edu/sciencepolicy.htm).  The site offers pointers for=20
scientists, including tips on communicating with congress=20
(http://esa.sdsc.edu/comcongress.htm) and an information sheet on how the=20
federal budget process works (http://esa.sdsc.edu/budgetprocess.pdf).

In addition, if you are interested in following national science and=20
environmental legislation, we encourage you to subscribe to ESA's free=20
biweekly Science & Environmental Policy Updates.   To find out how to=20
subscribe, visit http://esa.sdsc.edu/subsepu.htm.

We also encourage you to consider participating in Congressional Visits=20
Day, which ESA co-sponsors and which this year will be held May 1 and=20
2.  The event brings together a wide range of scientific and engineering=20
disciplines and a host of technical industries to convey to Members of=20
Congress the core message that balanced federal investment in research and=
=20
development is essential and that R&D partnerships between government,=20
industry, and universities play a critical role in our nation's=20
prosperity.  For more information, visit the website:=20
www.agiweb.org/cvd.  If you would like to participate, please contact ESA's=
=20
Public Affairs Office (nadine@esa.org; 202.833.8773, ext. 205)

Tips on writing your Letter-to-the-Editor:

        =B7    Put your main point on top
=B7    Tell readers why they should care--appeals to self-interest are usual
y=
=20
most effective
=B7    Make a single point and make it well--don't try to cover too much
=B7    Offer specific recommendations--give your opinion on how to improve=
 matters
=B7    Use an example if possible, one specific to your region is ideal
=B7    Avoid jargon
=B7    Use short sentences and declarative sentences
=B7    Use the active voice
=B7    Make your ending a winner

Each newspaper has different submission guidelines which you can often look=
=20
up online.  Generally, letters should be about 250 words or less.  You may=
=20
mail, fax, or email your letter, but must include your full name (no=20
initials), home address and daytime and evening telephone numbers for=20
verification.  Only your name and city of residence are published.  Letters=
=20
may be edited for publication and become the property of the newspaper.  If=
=20
your letter is selected for publication, you will likely be called for=20
verification.  Submit one letter at a time, since most newspapers want=20
exclusive rights to letters.

Best Regards,


Nadine Lymn
Director of Public Affairs

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:12:08 -0800
From:    Robert Taylor <rtaylor@GEOG.UCSB.EDU>
Subject: Re: habitat selection

> Habitat preference...habitat selection...

This distinction is similar to the distinction between fundamental and
realized niches, is it not?

Habitat preference is analogous to defining an organism's fundamental
niche, i.e. the sites and environmental conditions where it would maximize
it's reproductive success in the absence of any intra- or interspecific
competition. There is some ambiguity here, since the range
of physiological tolerance is rather larger than the optimum environment.
This is largely a theoretical concept, since there is almost always
competition in the real world. Habitat preference is typically defined by
raising organisms in controlled conditions over a range of environmental
conditions and then extrapolating to the real world by geographic analysis
of species occurrences.

Habitat selection is analogous to defining an organism's realized niche,
i.e. where it actually ends up trying to eke out an existence after
finding stiff competition from members of its own and maybe a host of
other species for all the really choice spots. These sites will be
somewhere within the physiological tolerance range of the species (by
definition), but often not right at the optimum. Habitat selection can be
directly observed in the field.

My (less than exhaustive) literature reviews suggest that people working
on animals have done more with these ideas, but they apply equally well to
studies of plants although the methods of selection are quite different.

The distinction is important with regards to restoration because
restorationists want to put things back in something approaching optimal
sites, not marginal ones, but all we usually have to go on when deciding
what the optimal might be (the preferred habitats) are observations of
where the things actually are found (the selected habitats).

The restorationist's job is further complicated by the prospect of climate
change because now we've not only got to figure out where many species
would prefer to be now, but to predict where those conditions will occur
in the future and somehow make it possible for the species to follow their
preferred niches across a fragmented landscape as rapid climate change
plays out.

Respectfully,
Robert S. Taylor
Biogeography Lab
Dept. of Geography
University of California, Santa Barbara

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:40:44 -0800
From:    "Douglas A. Kelt" <dakelt@UCDAVIS.EDU>
Subject: Fwd: Re: student inquiry

Colleagues,

I received an email from a university student here in California who is
pursuing a senior project in association with CalTrans, the California
Department of Transportation.  CalTrans is interested in knowing of any
effects of solid concrete medians vs. three-beam steel medians on animal
movement.  In a nutshell, the concrete medians are easier to install and
therefore cheaper, but they are willing to listen to arguments -- if they
exist -- on the relative influence of these two styles.  I am not aware of
any literature on this, so thought I would toss this out to the general
audience.  Any citations to standard or gray literature would be most
greatly appreciated.

If needed I can post a summary to the server.

Sincerely,

Doug Kelt



Douglas A. Kelt
Asst. Professor of Wildlife Biology
Dept. of Wildlife, Fish, & Conservation Biology
University of California, Davis, CA  95616  USA
TEL: (530)754-9481, FAX: (530)752-4154
dakelt@ucdavis.edu

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:58:16 -0800
From:    "Bob Parcelles,Jr." <rjparcelles@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: habitat selection

--- Robert Taylor <rtaylor@GEOG.UCSB.EDU> wrote:
> > Habitat preference...habitat selection...
>
> This distinction is similar to the distinction
> between fundamental and
> realized niches, is it not?
>
> Habitat preference is analogous to defining an
> organism's fundamental
> niche, i.e. the sites and environmental conditions
> where it would maximize
> it's reproductive success in the absence of any
> intra- or interspecific
> competition. There is some ambiguity here, since the
> range
> of physiological tolerance is rather larger than the
> optimum environment.
> This is largely a theoretical concept, since there
> is almost always
> competition in the real world. Habitat preference is
> typically defined by
> raising organisms in controlled conditions over a
> range of environmental
> conditions and then extrapolating to the real world
> by geographic analysis
> of species occurrences.
>
> Habitat selection is analogous to defining an
> organism's realized niche,
> i.e. where it actually ends up trying to eke out an
> existence after
> finding stiff competition from members of its own
> and maybe a host of
> other species for all the really choice spots. These
> sites will be
> somewhere within the physiological tolerance range
> of the species (by
> definition), but often not right at the optimum.
> Habitat selection can be
> directly observed in the field.
>
> My (less than exhaustive) literature reviews suggest
> that people working
> on animals have done more with these ideas, but they
> apply equally well to
> studies of plants although the methods of selection
> are quite different.
>
> The distinction is important with regards to
> restoration because
> restorationists want to put things back in something
> approaching optimal
> sites, not marginal ones, but all we usually have to
> go on when deciding
> what the optimal might be (the preferred habitats)
> are observations of
> where the things actually are found (the selected
> habitats).
>
> The restorationist's job is further complicated by
> the prospect of climate
> change because now we've not only got to figure out
> where many species
> would prefer to be now, but to predict where those
> conditions will occur
> in the future and somehow make it possible for the
> species to follow their
> preferred niches across a fragmented landscape as
> rapid climate change
> plays out.
>
> Respectfully,
> Robert S. Taylor
> Biogeography Lab
> Dept. of Geography
> University of California, Santa Barbara

------------------------------------------------------

Hi Robert and Forum,

I think this is an excellent statement.  Maybe one to
conclude this thread.  However, we must be careful to
keep habitat and niche from becoming synomonous.  At
least in my humble opinion.  Maybe we could explore "
selected niche" as opposed to "prefered niche"

Best wishes to all,




=====
Bob Parcelles, Jr
Pinellas Park, FL
RJP Associates <rjpassociates@yahoo.com>
rjparcelles@yahoo.com
http://rainforest.care2.com/welcome?w=976131876
"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."

 Confucius

__________________________________________________
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------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:43:44 -0500
From:    Paul Reeberg <Paul_Reeberg@NPS.GOV>
Subject: GS-7 fire effects position (PERMANENT) opens today

Please forward to potential applicants.  Thanks!

An announcement opened today, Friday Feb 23 (both all-sources and
government-wide) for the Golden Gate National Recreation Area (GGNRA) fire
effects monitoring lead position.  This is a PERMANENT GS-7 position, with
responsibilities to lead 2-4 crewmembers in field activities and prescribed
fire monitoring duties. The position is located at GGNRA, but the work
involves travel to Point Reyes National Seashore, Pinnacles National
Monument, Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area and possibly
Channel Islands National Park.

For "all-sources" (non-federal emplyees) see:
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR7154.HTM

For "government-wide" (federal employees) see:
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR7168.HTM


If you have any questions, please call Peggy Herzog at (415) 663-8160.

Thanks!

Peggy Herzog
Fire Ecologist
Point Reyes National Seashore

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:30:35 -0700
From:    "Crispin, Sue" <scrispin@STATE.MT.US>
Subject: Conservation IT Position

NATURE CONSERVANCY POSITION:
CONSERVATION DATA SYSTEMS MANAGER

The Montana Natural Heritage Program is seeking a biologist/natural resource
professional with extensive IT experience to manage our Conservation Data
Systems.  S/he will lead the development and maintenance of effective,
innovative management and delivery systems for information on species of
concern, high quality habitats, conservation areas, and landscapes of
ecological significance.  The Conservation Data Systems Manager is
responsible for planning, developing, integrating and administering a
complex of spatial and relational databases, associated electronic and
manual files, and web-based delivery applications.  S/he also
designs/develops advanced tools/applications for resource management,
conducts complex data analyses, works with agencies and organizations to
establish data sharing and service agreements, secures funds for services
and projects, oversees data dissemination and access, develops data use
policies and security measures, identifies user patterns and trends, and
administers projects and budgets.  S/he collaborates closely with staff
biologists and with IT managers and staff of the Montana State Library.  The
Conservation Data Systems Manager is supervised by the Program Director, and
directly supervises the GIS/Database Coordinator and the Web
Developer/Database Specialist.
The Montana Natural Heritage Program is part of the Natural Resource
Information System (NRIS), a nationally-recognized leader in using emerging
GIS and Web technologies to integrate and distribute spatially referenced
data on natural resources. (www.nris.state.mt.us/mtnhp,
www.nris.state.mt.us).
This position is located in Helena, which lies on the Rocky Mountain Front,
mid-way between Glacier and Yellowstone National Parks.  With a population
of just under 50,000, Helena offers a small-town atmosphere with diverse
cultural and recreational opportunities.  It is immediately adjacent to the
Helena National Forest, and 10 Federal Wilderness areas lie within a
three-hour drive.

Requirements:  Minimum Bachelor's degree and at four years of progressively
responsible experience in natural resources, biological science, or computer
science, (or equivalent education and experience), including program/project
management and experience applying information technologies to biological
resource documentation, analysis and management.   Working knowledge of GIS,
relational databases, and Web development, with expertise in at least one of
these areas and programming skills; experience with graphics and image
processing software desirable.  Excellent organizational, planning,
speaking, writing and partner-building skills; experience in
marketing/communications and customer support/training highly desirable.

Salary: $38,000 - $42,000 dependent on qualifications.  Excellent benefits,
including relocation assistance.  Applications will be reviewed as they are
received, and the position will remain open until filled; anticipated start
date no later than May 1.

Submit cover letter, resume, and references (via email and hard-copy) to:
scrispin@state.mt.us    Susan Crispin, Director, Montana Natural Heritage
Program,   Box 201800, Helena, MT  59620-1800

A full position description is available at
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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:38:36 -0500
From:    Andrew Cole <cac13@PSU.EDU>
Subject: Workshop announcement

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The Center for Watershed Stewardship
Penn State University
http://www.sala.psu.edu/watershed/


Announces a short course:

Field Techniques for Small Watershed Assessment
May 23-24, 2001

Estimated Registration fee: $390


Wednesday, May 23, 2001
Obtaining Streamflow Data on the Web
New USGS method for estimating streamflow on the web
Introduction to Instantaneous Measurement of Stream Flow
o       Why, where, how, etc.
o       Techniques (Current meters, floating object, etc.) and costs
o       Equations, weirs and flumes, etc.
Recording Flow Continuously
o       Why, where, how, etc.
o       Creating a rating curve
o       Gaging requirements, forms of curve, uses
=B7       Equipment
o       Staff gage, FW-1, potentiometer, pressure transducer
o       costs
=B7       Problems and solutions
o       Ice effects, leaf dams
o       Channel changes
Field activities
=B7       Site selection for gaging and for continuous flow monitoring site
=B7       Channel location, power, heat, etc.
=B7       Marsh McBirney
=B7       Pygmy meter
=B7       Floating Object
=B7       Weirs and flumes
=B7       Continuous flow monitoring (FW-1, water logger, CR-10)
=B7       Downloading/working with continuous flow data (lap-top computer)


Thursday, May 24, 2001

Climatic, pan evaporation and water quality data on the web
Climatological Measurements
o       Brief introduction to equipment, uses, costs, etc.
Collecting continuous water quality data
o       Probes available, costs, downloading data, etc.
Collecting discrete water quality data
o       Sampling schemes
o       QA/QC
o       Dealing with water laboratories
o       Chain of custody considerations, holding times
o       Grab versus automatic versus in situ sampling
Inorganic Soil Solution Chemistry
o       Why sample it
o       Tension and zero-tension, teflon lysimeters
o       Construction, problems, sampling schemes, etc.

Visit Local Climate Station
o       Site selection
o       Rain gages, wind speed and direction, temperature, humidity, solar,=
=20
wet/dry sampler, etc.
o       Downloading and working with data (lap-top)
Water Quality Monitoring Field Exercises
o       Hand held meters (pH, conductance, etc.)
o       Grab sampling techniques
o       ISCO sampler
o       Water temperature
o       Continuous monitoring
=B7       Equipment maintenance and downloading data
Soil Solution Chemistry
o       Installation and use of lysimeters



For further information, contact:

Course Content:         Bryan Swistock
                         Extension Associate
                         Penn State University
                         132 Land and Water Research Building
                         University Park, PA 16802
                         814-863-0194
                         brs@psu.edu

Registration:   Danielle Kocovsky
                         Professional Development Program
                         School of Forest Resources
                         Penn State University
                         113 Ferguson Building
                         University Park, PA 16802
                         814-863-1113
                         dxy8@pu.edu


Charles Andrew Cole, Ph.D.
Associate Director
Center for Watershed Stewardship
The Pennsylvania State University
227 East Calder Way
State College, PA  16801

www.larch.psu.edu/watershed

814-865-5735 (-1378 FAX)
cac13@psu.edu


"A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity, stability, and=20
beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends otherwise."


Aldo Leopold
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</dl>For further information, contact:<br>
<br>
Course Content:
<x-tab>        </x-tab>B
yan
Swistock<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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Associate<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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State University<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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       </x-tab><x-tab> &
bsp; &=
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Land and Water Research Building<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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       </x-tab><x-tab> &
bsp; &=
nbsp;    </x-tab>University
Park, PA 16802<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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       </x-tab><x-tab> &
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nbsp;    </x-tab>814-863-0194<br>
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<br>
</u></font><font face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D3>Registrat
on:<x-tab> &=
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Kocovsky<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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nbsp;    </x-tab>Professional
Development Program<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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of Forest Resources<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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State University<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab><
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Ferguson Building<br>
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Park, PA 16802<br>
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Charles Andrew Cole, Ph.D.<br>
Associate Director<br>
Center for Watershed Stewardship<br>
The Pennsylvania State University<br>
227 East Calder Way<br>
State College, PA  16801<br>
<br>
<font color=3D"#0000FF"><u><a href=3D"http://www.larch.psu.ed
/watershed"=
 eudora=3D"autourl">www.larch.psu.edu/watershed</a><br>
<br>
</u></font>814-865-5735 (-1378 FAX)<br>
cac13@psu.edu<br>
<br>
<br>
"A thing is right when it tends to preserve the integrity,
stability, and beauty of the biotic community. It is wrong when it tends
otherwise."<br>
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Topics of the day:

  1. soil moisture probe
  2. Database job at Glacier National Park
  3. calculating transition probabilities

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:36:17 -0800
From:    "William R. Porter" <wporter@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: soil moisture probe

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Try these people:
<br> <a href="http://www.irrometer.com/">Irrometer Company,
Inc. Home
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<p>good luck,
<br>Bill Porter
<br> 
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<p>Hello Ecologgers,
<br>    I am conducting ecological research in a grassl
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<br>this point measured soil moisture gravimetrically (ie: good ole =
<br>fashioned dry it out in the oven technique and weigh before and af
er).
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<br>I would like to avoid having to extract soil each time I want to =
<br>estimate % soil moisture. Has anyone found a reasonably priced (&l
;$500)
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<p>Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
<p>Thank you in advance.=20
<p>Trisha Tierney
<br>Department of Biology
<br>Sonoma State University
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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 15:34:06 -0500
From:    Richard Menicke <Richard_Menicke@NPS.GOV>
Subject: Database job at Glacier National Park

     Please post the following job announcement to your web server:

     Job:       Computer Technician
     Location:  Glacier National Park; West Glacier, Montana
     Salary:    $29,273/year plus benefits
     Duties:    Database management using MS Access, some Arcview GIS
     Web Info:  http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR0612.HTM
     Deadline:  March 9, 2001

     Glacier National Park is recruiting a Computer Technician series
     position (GS-7; $29,273/year plus benefits) to assist in natural
     resource-based database management efforts.  Glacier is one of three
     Montana National Park Service units that comprise the Rocky Mountain
     Network, an NPS Inventory and Monitoring program initiative.  The
     incumbent will provide data management services to Glacier National
     Park, Grant-Kohrs National Historic Site, and Little Bighorn National
     Battlefield. Some travel to these park sites will be necessary.

     Strong MS Access skills and knowledge of database management concepts
     is a must. Knowledge and experience using GIS is a plus. There are 2.5
     years of funding guaranteed, and the likelihood of additional funds.
     Park housing in West Glacier, Montana is likely available.

     This position is posted on OPM's USA Jobs web site
     (http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/wfjic/jobs/IR0612.HTM) in the Computer
     Technician (335) series and is open February 23, 2001 through March 9,
     2001. Inquiries can be directed to Richard Menicke
     (richard_menicke@nps.gov).

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Date:    Fri, 23 Feb 2001 22:31:04 -0600
From:    Poaceae <Poaceae@NETZERO.NET>
Subject: calculating transition probabilities

I'm looking for a program to calculate transition probabilities. This is for
a long-term data set that follows individual plants in the population over a
15+ year period and I would like to calculate the transition probabilities
(seedling - juvenile - etc...). I think this could be done in Excel, but I'm
open to other suggestions. Sincerely, Danny

Danny J. Gustafson (postdoc)
Department of Biology
University of Pennsylvania
poaceae@netzero.net or danny_j_gustafson@hotmail.com


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