Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 21:57:26 -0400 From: "Arthur E. Sowers"Subject: Re: ecology career questions On Sat, 9 May 1998 pohl@earthlink.net wrote: > i'm considering going to college in the the fall to > study biology. the area that i'm most interested in is > ecological research. my questions are. > > 1) are there jobs?? Try searching the WWW for career websites and look at what jobs are available, now, and plan for those. Also, look in the sunday classified section of newspapers from big cities (Wash-DC, NY, SanFran, etc) and see what comes up. > 2) if there are jobs, where are they (which agencies)? See previous answers. Also, look on the bionet and bio newsgroups. > 3) i would like to read some abstracts on some past > ecological research projects, know of any web sites?? Use the search engines (eg. Altavista, excite) > 4) is there a list serve that i can subscribe to that > will automatically send job announcments when they appear? Start reading the newsgroup "news.answers" and there will be a post on listservs. Read it. > 5) i operate an SEM at my present job, are these skills a plus > in a ecological environment? They will be very rare. Try the ecology journals at a large university library. Look for SEM micrographs, then look at how many there are. Then contact the authors. Ask them. > thank you, > any help would be greatly appreciated! > > mark > > Read my resource list below: Sci Job/Career Internet Resource and Book Title List by Arthur E. Sowers, PhD This is a resource list relating to jobs/careers in science and in general. Part A is internet based (primarily WWW sites) Part B is a book list of titles I've seen, and some of which I have read and reviewed (text included). PART A: INTERNET SCI JOB/CAREER RESOURCES Internet Science Job/Career Resource List: ======================================================================== disclaimer: Many of the sites in this list, especially in Part V, are commercial and are not likely to mention certain facts of commercial policies, practices, and preferences which are not in business interests. At least many do not carry disclaimers or warranties of their own. Inclusion of such URLs should not be taken as an specific endorsement. Some sites are mixed in content; commercial (for fee) and gratis (for free) information. They are listed as a source of information and if you can benefit in some way, then this list will have served its purpose. I have no financial or other connection with any of the websites or their personnel other than some of them have external links to my pages and I have referenced some of them in this list and on my website. I am not a recruiter and I receive no money or favors from disseminating this list or from listing a given URL or other source. I am responsible for my website material but not the material on other websites. This list, which will be updated from time to time, is being posted in the public interest. It is not intended to be an all inclusive list. Revisions will be at irregular intervals and given not necessarily with notice (disclaimer: copyright by Arthur E. Sowers, PhD). ======================================================================== Part I: About the CPSJ essays Part II: Net resources, other essays, info on the sci job market Part III: Usenet Newsgroups as sources of job info, ideas, and leads. Part IV: Unions (faculty, grad student, and post doc) Part V: Misc web sites, often with CV, job lists, essays, & other helpful external links. ________________________________________________________________________ Part I- rev Jan 29, 1997 "Contemporary Problems in Sci Jobs" (=CPSJ) essays: a 2nd Edition of CPSJ is available by e-mail from the author, , or at any of the following web sites, with conditional unrestricted royalty-free reproduction rights. Earlier versions of the "Contemporary Problems in Science Jobs" essays may be found at: http://www.mbb.yale.edu/acb//PERL.html9980511S0017htmlst http://chemistry.com/du/acb//PERL.html9980511S0017htmlst (dig around) http://his.com/~graeme/cpsj.htmlL.html9980511S0017htmlst and ***/cpsj2.html http://www.access.digex.net/~arthures/homepage.htmhtmlst (my WWW site) cited at: http://www.netcom.com/~stantony/biojobs.htmlge.htmhtmlst http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ae047/employ7.htmllst I APPRECIATE E-MAIL & NOTIFICATION OF OTHER RELEVANT INTERNET RESOURCES My prefered email address is: arthures@access.digex.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part II- (rev Mar 26,99) Net resources on PhD careers, job market and problems: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nat Acad study on where PhDs eventually go: http://www.nap.edu/readingroom/books/grad/mploy7.htmllst " " / " / " / " /appendixc.html Goodstein Report: http://www.caltech.edu/~goodsteinoks/grad/mploy7.htmllst Reports on nasty politics, situations on jobs (IMPORTANT): http://his.com/~graeme/pandp.htmloks/grad/mploy7.htmllst http://www.k9ape.com/c96/candor.html/grad/mploy7.htmllst http://www.disgruntled.comandor.html/grad/mploy7.htmllst The problem when "non-compete" clauses can seriously hurt your career: http://www.flash.net/~cmiller/ctgweb.htmd/mploy7.htmllst Other analyses of the poor job market and its causes: http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/e/r/erw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.waite.adelaide.edu.au/~pclarke/scientist/erw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ae047/employ7.htmlrw/Public/Pandora.html http://physics.ucsc.edu/users/noc/Links/policy.htmlmlrw/Public/Pandora.html (excellent) http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~lerman/sci_pol/points.htmllrw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.metronet.com/~jbmoore/pdblues/PDblues.htmlrw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/seind96/ch3_sele.htms.htmlrw/Public/Pandora.html Bad situation for Mathematics PhDs: http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~gdavis/policy/papers.htmlw/Public/Pandora.html http://math.dartmouth.edu/~gdavis/policy/papers.htmlmlw/Public/Pandora.html Less bad situation for Chem. PhDs: http://pubs.acs.org/hotartcl/cenear/970728/sal.htmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Statistics on Physics job situation: http://www.aip.org/statistics/trends/trends.htmhtmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Some comments on economics, PhDs, and immigration: http://www.dismal.com/thoughts/immigration.stmmhtmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Excellent sources on some realities in the computer job market: http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/itaa.real.htmltmmhtmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.ieee.org/usab/FORUM/POLICY/98feb25.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html "The Scientist"- newspaper about scientist careers: http://www.the-scientist.library.upenn.edub25.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html gopher://ds.internic.net/11/pub/the-scientist (txt, partials) AAAS (the situation of postdocs): http://www.edoc.com/nextwave/forums_postdoc/5.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html AAUP Listserver: majordomo@igc.apc.org - leave sub=blank - put in text of message: subscribe aaup-general AAUP email address: aaup@igc.apc.org AAUP website: http://www.igc.apc.org/aaup//forums_postdoc/5.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html PhDs website: http://www.phds.org/rg/aaup//forums_postdoc/5.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Assn for Women in Science (AWIS): http://www.awis.org/rg/aaup//forums_postdoc/5.htmlllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Grad Student Advice Websites: http://dogwood.botany.uga.edu/~jwest/bgsa/bgsa.htmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html http://asz.berkeley.edu/IB/grad/modestadvice.htmlmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Postdocing in Japan: http://www.twics.com/~nsftokyo/home.htmlvice.htmlmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html http://fuji.stanford.edu:80/JGUIDE/jguide.htmltmlmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html Other scientist employment resource info can be found at: http://his.com/~graeme/employ.html/jguide.htmltmlmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html (best I've seen yet) http://saa49.ucsf.edu/psa/loy.html/jguide.htmltmlmllmlw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.freenet.hamilton.on.ca/~ae047/employ7.htmllw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/4317/.htmllw/Public/Pandora.html http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4707/mllw/Public/Pandora.html YSN website is at: http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/eCanaveral/Hangar/4707/mllw/Public/Pandora.html (hunt around) Congressional Liason Committee (if you want to write letters to your congressperson in support of budget increases for science), then get on the CLC email list by emailing to: tleshan@ascb.org or pfarnham@asbmb.org _________________________________________________________________________ Part III- Usenet Newsgroups as source of information, hints, ideas: The internet carries hundreds of newsgroups dealing with jobs, period. All of them have the word "jobs" somewhere after the first dot. For example is a real newsgroup dealing with jobs in the Washington, DC area. Most are computer jobs. A lot are spam/scam/schemes that you should actually avoid. Some resumes are posted. If you would like to see what resumes look like, this is a place to look. There are also newsgroups more specialized. For example, some have "jobs.wanted" or "jobs.offered" in their name. Some have the word "resumes" in their name. PINE is a UNIX newsreader/email client which has a search function for all versions above 3.91. Ask your provider, if you don't know if it is available. All you have to do is put in the word "jobs" and all of the newsgroups which have that word in them will be listed. Some ISPs also carry "proprietary" newsgroups. One has feeds for all of the America On Line jobs newsgroups, which seem to be located around almost every big city and some suburbs. Some NGs can be empty, and some can have hundreds of listings. Try these too for your job search. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | the following list of website URIs need the "http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/eCanaveral/Hangar/4707/mllw/Public/Pandora.html" URL prefix | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part IV- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (as of June 27, 1997) Faculty and Grad Student unions: | | United Uni Prfs SUNY: www.uup.info.org | | TA Assn UWM: www.taa-madison.org | | Grad Emp Org UMich: www.umich.edu/~taunion | | Assn Penna SCU Fac: www.apscuf.com (Feb, '97 or after) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nat Grad Prof Stu www.nagps.org | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part V- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | From Wall St. Journal (Sept 20,1996, p.B1) article on Net job hunting | | America's Job Bank: www.ajd.dni.us | | CareerPath: www.careerpath.com | | Online Career Center: www.occ.com | | CareerMosaic: www.careermosaic.com | | Help Wanted USA: iccweb.com (not a typo) | | Monster Board: www.monster.com | | E-Span: www.espan.com | | Career Magazine: www.careermag.com | | Career City: www.careercity.com | | NationJob Net: www.nationjob.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (revised Sep 21,1997) OTHER RELATED Website URIs: | | FSG (biotech) www.chemistry.com | | Medzilla www.medzilla.com | | Virt. Job Fair www.vjf.com | | NES (very mild) pegasus.uthct.edu/nes.html | | Top Job www.topjobusa.com | | Fisk Book www.agu.org/careerguide (go for links) | | Career CD-ROM www.careertoolbox.com (sponsor: ChavisRegal)| | KellyScientific www.kellyservices.com | | Space Jobs www.spacejobs.com | | Chemistry Jobs chemistry.mond.org/jobs/jobguide.html | | Chem & Industry ci.mond.org | | Cell Press www.cellpress.com | | SciWeb www.sciweb.com | | Mainly for MDs www.medbulletin.com | | TipTop (physics) www.tp.umu.se/TIPTOP/forum/jobs/ | | GradLink www.gradlink.com | | Bio-Online cns.bio.com | | Bio-Online(alternate) www.bio.com | | BiotechIndustryOrg www.bio.org | | BioSci(science only) www.bio.net | | Wall St Journal careers.wsj.com | | AGI, but also others www.agiweb.org/agi/careers.html | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (added Oct 27, 1997) | | UMD Career Center www.inform.umd.edu/Student/Career_and_Employ | | ment_Service/ | | UVa Career Center minerva.acc.virginia.edu/~career/ | | Getting past Go www.mongen.com/getgo | | Catapult www.jobweb.org | | Cool Works www.coolworks.com/showme/ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | (added Feb 26, 1998) | | for PhDs www.phds.org/ | | careerbuilder www.careerbuilder.com/ | | jobs 4 eng. www.ajob4engineers.com/ | | jobs 4 scientists www.ajob4scientists.com/ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Part VI: misc.(May 1, 1998) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Amateur Scientists www.thesphere.com/SAS/ | | Various resources www.myboss.com/ | | Seniors/40+ www.fp.org/ | | Nat Council Aging www.ncoa.org/ | | FAQ finder ps.superb.net/FAQ/ | | Chronicle of high ed. chronicle.merit.edu/ | | Bioportfolio www.bioportfolio.com/ | | FASEB article www.faseb.org/fj/Feb1998/garrison.htm | | HMSBeagle biomednet.com/hmsbeagle/ | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- PART B: Books that may help you... For all of you that know me, both for the warnings about getting into the grad school-postdoc pipeline and suggestions for alternative jobs, I have been writing down book titles in bookstores that I enjoy visiting from time to time. If I have read the book, then there is a breif review. Remember, you should not feel obligated to buy these books. Rather, try to get your local library to buy them for you, or if you are in a hurry, then get them to get the book on interlibrary loan. I will be upgrading this booklist from time to time as I see titles and decide, from perusing the pages, that they might be useful. Also, I have appended my Sci Job/Career Internet Resource List at the end. May 1, 1998 update. Death of the guilds, professions, states, and the advance of capitalism, 1930s to the present. 305 pp.Elliott A. Krause. Yale Univ. Press, 1996, $40. This is a book that I have not read, but would like to. From book reviews I have read, the trends are not good ones. It may help predict what kinds of environments the workplaces of the future will be like. April 19, 1998 update "Alternative Careers in Science: Leaving the Ivory Tower" by Cynthia Robbins-Roth, paper: 20.97 (hardcover 29.95), c. 1998, ISBN 0-12-589375-2, Academic Press. April 12, 1998 update (Thanks to Rich Lemert for telling me about this): "Career Renewal: Tools for Scientists and Technical Professionals" by Rosen and Paul (Academic Press, ISBN 0-12-597060-9, $24.95) reviewed in April 6, 1998 in C&E news. Its said that there is some case studies of people who have made career transitions. Oct 25, 1997 update: One alternative career is writing. Here is a book that, more than any other I've seen in my life, will, I think, help you. "How to Get Happily Published - A Complete and Candid Guide" (4th Edition) by Judith Appelbaum recent copyrights (1988, 1992), and earlier ones, too, by the author. HarperPerennial (A division of HarperCollinsPublishers) New York Its 317 pages long and a bit wordy. But, there is soooo much there. Among the topics covered are: literary agents (pros & cons), how to submit, where to submit, marketing, fights that break out between agents and authors, publishers and authors, self-publishing (vanity presses: pros & cons), how books are funded, and last but maybe the most important, about 80 pages of "resources." The Resources section lists about 5-6 other book titles, associations, organizations, contacts, references, catalogs, lists, etc., that go way beyond anything I've seen before. Under each entry are a few sentences to evaluate what each item is, what it is good for, and what it is not good for. The book is honest and credible. On page 224, I found: "Worse still, and more important, bestseller lists don't generally rank anything right. The bookstore managers who supply data to compilers have learned over the years that the bestseller label stimulates demand, and they're not above reporting inflated sales figures for a specific book simply because -- having been persuaded to order large quantities of it -- they want it hyped." "On at least one memorable occasion, booksellers cited a book that hadn't been written yet, let alone published and sold, as a current bestseller...it is clear enough on the whole that bookstore managers (and publishers too) can and do regularly skew bestseller standings, so that nobody knows just what they may mean." Another couple of items I enjoyed reading about are" "Rotten Rejections"... and "Rotten Rejections II." These are books that "...show[s] you what editors said as they spurned 'The Clan of the Cave Bear,' 'The Spy Who Came in from the Cold' and a host of other titles they must have gone on to kick themselves about." Indeed, the author mentions several times, many titles which were repeatedly rejected by publishers before they were accepted and went on to become notable, successful, famous, etc. So, its really like grant proposal writing. Rejections outnumber awards. And the ones who make the decisions often can't recognize good work when they are looking at it. The book got many endorsements from people from newspaper, magazine, and journal backgrounds and has sold, to date, 250,000 copies. October 4, 1997 update: "Firing back - power strategies for cutting the best deal when you're about to lose your job" by Jodie-Beth Galos and Sandy McIntosh, PhD, John Wiley & Sons, Inc. c: 1997, $15.95 (USA), and they have a web site: http://www.firingback.com/u/eCanaveral/Hangar/4707/mllw/Public/Pandora.html (this is an excellent book which not only helps you "fight back" but also to understand some of the politics of workplaces in general). August 9 update: Over the last few days I read, cover-to-cover, two books that are very relevant to this newsgroup: First book- "The New Rules [NR] of the Job Search Game" subtitle: "Why todays managers hire...and why they don't" by Jackie Larson and Cheri Comstock Publisher: Bob Adams, Inc. c: 1994 List price: $10.00 but I got mine as a mark-down for $3.99 Second book- "Executive Blues [EB]" subtitle: "Down and out in corporate America" by: G.J. Meyer Publisher Dell Publishing. c: 1995 List price: $12.95. EB is more significant than NR, but I'll save it for second. On "NR" As I perused NR off the rack, I was initially impressed with the apparent depth of detail, profuse presentation of examples, and, even more so, the provision of model scripts for telephone calls!!!! We have all the buzzwords (the term "hiring manager" is used at least 20 times on each page, "networking" is proposed as an answer to all job-hunting, etc.) and the emphasis on using the telephone to develope contacts "inside" target companies (and bypass HR) for the purpose of "tailoring" CVs to the target job. And, don't forget... be positive, enthusiastic, know about the company, etc. I have both good and bad impressions of this book. On the good side, it has much more detail and gives "model" telephone scripts. It also helps coach you in the gentle art of interviewing (also with model scripts). I was also impressed with the author's imperitive that the reader NOT pursue poor job markets to begin with, but rather pursue jobs in good job markets. The author's strategy, which I agree with, is to target rapidly growing companies (which are often small to medium in size) and completely forget companies which are already large (because their hiring pattern is most likely to be flat if not downsizing [I have counter arguments to these assumptions, however]). They spend quite a bit of space in the book helping the reader get started in researching backgrounds (with the help of more phone calls and trips to the library). This is probably the strength of the book. There is also some help in writing cover letters and resumes (However, I would rather see you folks get complete books with examples of high powered resumes and cover letters. They do exist and I've seen larger libraries carry many volumes of these books). On the bad side is the fact that they hardly mention the fact that you really do need relevant experience more than the "schmooze" methodology that they advocate. Thier methodology might get you to the interview step, but at that point, if you don't have the "material & content", then you are dead anyway. There are many other issues in the corporate culture that are not discussed, but that is outside the scope of the book. Another area, which we have discussed on the NG, is lying. On at least ten occassions throughout the book the authors very openly urge actions and statements which, to me, represent either lying or, at least, something akin to not telling the truth. Another area is "manipulation." They go into substantial detail about control of conversations and while the ideas are good, and sometimes successful (read any book at the library on "hard sell" closure of sales deals and you'll understand what I'm talking about), its still a matter of "manipulation" of people. I know people who are very sensitive to this (including me) and it can backfire on you. Personally, I find these kinds of "necessary evils" degrading. You have to become something totally artificial, mechanical, and phoney. Also, a part of many commercial environments is the "high pressure" atmosphere; you do have to be a "type A" personality in a lot of these boiler-room atmospheres and definitely be "bottom line" orriented, and as far as I am concerned this isn't for me. I want a life more than money. Lastly, the book seems to serve as much as a promotional device for the authors than a mentoring function for the reader. You can see on the inside of the back cover a chance for the reader to fork over $29.95 for a companion workbook, information on "live seminar" programs, tapes for interviewing practice, and a free brochure listing their other products and services. Yes, you guessed it, the authors are headhunters. And, they do promotional things like get endorsements from big name commercial people like Stephen Covy (author of "The Seven Habits of Highly Sucessful People"), and then you notice on page 181 of the book that the authors "bragged on" Stephen Covey for his book. Isn't it interesting how "you scratch my back, I scratch yours?" Overall, I had very mixed feelings. EB Meyer, the author of Executive Blues, was an executive at McDonnell Douglas until he got fired and most newspaper articles and book reviews I saw talked about this book in connection with downsizing in general and one could say that its a long diatribe composed of whining and moaning. But, actually its much more than that. Its an antithesis to books like NR (see above) and provides practically all the missing answers to the missing questions I usually have in such comparisons. Meyer had a horrible time finding new work (a situation not unlike that experienced by most PhDs). He talked about all of his feelings, experiences with headhunters, interview committees, and their actions and nonactions. He was born in 1940, three years before me, making him a member of the "unemployable" population which suffers from age discrimination as much as overqualification (which he talked about, too). If you have been on the job market yourself, you will empathize with Meyer's experience. EB is much more than a personal diary of failure (there must be a hundred examples of headhunters that never called back, several hundred examples of resumes submitted that were never answered or acknowledged, etc.), it goes into the politics of corporations and upper executives. He describes in an interesting way all of his experiences. I quote from chapter 20 (page 76): "Networking is everything they say. Call everyone you know and build your network. Recruit people to be your scouts, to let you know as soon as they hear of an opening. Get your scouts to give you the names of other possible scouts. Keep reaching, connecting, building." "Two of the prized pieces of my network were [he names them and his highly developed and historical relationship with them and that he counted on them]." "Today I happened to hear that a very senior p.r. position is vacant at GE. And that [his two people were involved in recruiting for it]." "Neither has said a word about this to me." "So much for my network." This is the reality. He names names, both of corporate entities and the people he's interacted with. He also exposes utter stupidity that is common in executive ranks and rigid corporate cultures. The vast majority of his associates, he relates, also had very serious problems finding new work. After quite some time, he got a job at J.I. Case, another major corporation, and was fired from them, too, along with a whole stream of other executives, in a purge, after almost scandalous mismanagement, resembling what we used to read about happening in the Kremlin. He even gave at least one example where an executive (not Meyer) was hired to fire half the people in a division and then he went away on vacation and when he came back, he found out he was fired. Meyer talks about where many of his corporate executive associates go: into buying franchises with their golden parachute money and life savings. For those he knows, they are not doing well. An example is (on page 186) with a guy who bought a Mail Boxes franchise. Meyer says: "I tell him that if I buy a Mail Boxes franchise it absolutely _must_ do well enough to support me after two years. I ask him [a Mail Box owner] if that sounds realistic." "The man bursts into tears, actually begins to sob. He pulls a handkerchief out of his pocket and starts mopping at his eyes." "'I'm sorry,' he says. 'I'm sorry. I'll be all right in a minute.'" Meyer's next sentence was "How very encouraging." Meyer is employed still again in a third corporation, we learn from the "epilogue," but he also says that the industry his corporation is part of is now being deregulated and that he knows that that means downsizing is around the corner. Personally, I think there would be more food for thought for a young person trying to decide what to spend their life doing from reading EB than NR (And, I would not put a lot of stock in NR even for the short run). Meyer is very pessimistic about the future. How about the endorsements? Well, they include significant comments from Studs Terkel, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, The Cleveland Plain Dealer, and Fortune. Oh, yes, there was no offer of further services for fee, etc. July 1, 1997 list: "Consulting Success" 3rd Edition, by Howard Shenson and Ted Nicholas with Paul Franklin as consulting editor. Upstart Publishing Company c 1993, 1997, 1987, 1991. ISBN 1-57410-055-6 pp. 243, $29.95 "How to get interviews from classified job ads" by Kenton W. Elderkin, Wings Books (distributed by Randome House Value Publishing, Inc., 40 Engelhard Avenue, Avenel, New Jersey 07001). ISBN 0-517-12365-7, 232 pages and illustrated. Parts are elementary, but other parts are excellent. "96 great interview questions to ask before you hire" by Paul Falcone, distributed by AMACOM, a division of American Management Association, 1601 Broadway, New York, NY 10019. ISBN 0-8144-7909-X. The book is copyright by the author. List price: $17.95. The subtitles on the cover are: "Identify high performance job candidates, Probe beyond superficial answers, Spot 'red flags' indicating evasions or untruths, Get references to provide real information, Negotiate job offers to attract winners" MY COMMENT: This is a dismaying book. Its incredible how much "psychiatry" is flowing through the minds of interviewers and how many hoops a candidate is now being asked to jump through. Indeed, maybe after you get your MBA, you also need a MA degree in Drama, Theater, and Communications (but don't put it on your resume) and substantial rehersal, practice acting, and performance before you go into these kinds of interviews. HOWEVER, for those of you that are headed in that direction, maybe you better have a look at this book to see what kinds of questions they are going to be throwing at you. To be sure, its a horserace, and anyone coming in "2nd" or lower is going to go to the glue factory. FOR MY SCIENTIST BRETHERN: One thing that came accross to me in this book (considering the parts that I did read) is that it does fit in with the "Dilbert Principal" line of thinking. But, if you are tired of "fighting them," then maybe you have to "join them." "How to make use of a useless degree" (so help me that is the exact title) by Andres Frothingham [Berkely Books, New York]. "Careering and re-careering for the 1990s" by Ronald L. Krannich, PhD. [Impact Publications, Va] "Guide to internet job searching" by Margaret Riley, Francis Roehm, and Steve Oserman, ISBN 0-8442-8197-2, [VGM Career Horizons, 4255 West Touhy Ave, Lincolnwood, Ill 60646-1975]. "Bouncing Back-How to stay the course when your career is on the rocks" by Andrew J. Durbin, McGrw Hill. "Getting Out" Lawrence W. Tuller Liberty Hill (Hall?) Press "In transition" Mary Lindley Burton & Richard A. Wedemeyer [Harper Business, a division of Harper Collins] "Career Crash" Barry Glassner [Simon & Shuster] by the way, I have absolutely no connection with any of the authors, publishers in any way. I post all of this in the public interest. ==== end of file ======